GM goes further down the dumper; NiHM battery supplier bro..

On Feb 28, 2:14 pm, DeserTBoB <dese....TakeThisOut@rglobal.net> wrote:
> GM may soon be feeling some of Chrysler's pain over bankrupt
> suppliers.  The CarConnection reports Cobasys, supplier of the NiMH
> batteries used in the light-hybrid Vue, Aura and Malibu and holder of
> "a key contract in the development of GM's much-anticipated plug-in
> hybrid, the Volt," is out of money.  The battery maker lost more than
> $76m last year and expect to lose $82m this year.  To make matters
> worse, the company's joint owners, ChevronTexaco and ECD, can't agree
> on the 2008 budget.  So Cobays' operating budget is $92m short.
> Cobasys is now on GM's "distressed supplier list;" the General refuses
> to comment on the situation.  In the meantime, GM has struck a deal to
> buy batteries for its two-mode hybrid trucks from a Panasonic - Toyota
> joint venture.
>
> Note how it's ChevronTexaco who's putting the kibosh on Cobasys by
> stalling their budgeting...another move by Big Oil to stop any move
> toward electric propulsion dead in its tracks.  A Democratic
> administration will probably have the government take over funding of
> NiMH development, thus ruining this attempt by Big Oil to "defund"
> competition for their products into oblivion.
>
> To read more:
>
> http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/news-blog/cobasys-crisis-has-gm-buyi...


Hillary went down the dumper in a grand fashion, not GM
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> LMFAO !! Electric car in Manitoba HAHAHAHAH it would freeze HAHAHAH My
> soon to be brother in law lives there and says he has his car programmed
> to start every 45min or the thing will freeze solid!! No joke He said the
> one time his car didn't start and the weather dropped 46 below with wind
> chill and the battery froze, rad fluid froze and oil was like mud BUT
> wait.. if the car is electric.. just plug in hair dryer
And if you can get them to start, you drive down the street on
square tires for about fifteen minutes. Kerklunk, kerklunk.......
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> The wind chill will cause the car to cool off faster, but it won't get any
> colder than if there is no wind chill.
A car sitting in about -34C with no wind will
stand a better chance starting than one sitting in -34C with a windchill
of -46. That -46 wind chill separates the wheat from the chaff. The boys
from the men. Winnipeg hit -38C this winter, and that was with no wind thank
goodness.
> They make these neat things called "extension cords" that lets you bring a
> hair drier outside.
With a water cooled engine we use block heaters.
Also little interior car warmers that keep the interior warm and the windows
clear. Some people even use a battery blanket as well. When we drove in the
States years ago (60s) with three electric cords and plugs hanging out the
front a gas jockey in southern Minnesota asked if it was an electric car. We
also had these clear plastic panels you stuck to the inside of the glass, in
essence making a "sealed unit" to fight frost buildup. Better
defroster/heaters have rendered them obsolete and I haven't seen them in
years. Driving a British car in Winnipeg winters back in the 50s and 60s was
particularly adventurous. A "demister" was no match for a 1/8" coating of
frost. "Okay, quit breathing so much, I can't see out the bloody
windscreen".
> They also build these neat things called "garages" that let you store cars
> in a warmer environment.
Whaaah? Parking a car in a garage, eh? But where
would I then store all these 8 track carts, players, and other assorted
treasures?
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:44:56 GMT, "William W Western"
<protectedaccount RemoveThis @null.shaw.ca> wrote:

>> The wind chill will cause the car to cool off faster, but it won't get any
>> colder than if there is no wind chill.
> A car sitting in about -34C with no wind will
>stand a better chance starting than one sitting in -34C with a windchill
>of -46. That -46 wind chill separates the wheat from the chaff. The boys
>from the men. Winnipeg hit -38C this winter, and that was with no wind thank
>goodness.


Windchill applys to the cooling effect on exposed human skin. A car
sitting in -34 with no wind ends up at the same temperature as a car
sitting in -34 with 100 mph winds. -34

Steve B.
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:44:56 GMT, "William W Western"
<protectedaccount.DeleteThis@null.shaw.ca> wrote:

>> The wind chill will cause the car to cool off faster, but it won't get any
>> colder than if there is no wind chill.
> A car sitting in about -34C with no wind will
>stand a better chance starting than one sitting in -34C with a windchill
>of -46. That -46 wind chill separates the wheat from the chaff. <snip>

-34°C atmospheric is -34°C to any inanimate object immersed in it.
The wind just makes it cool faster (more gas circulating faster over
the cooled object = faster heat transfer), but it'll never get any
colder than -34C. Basic thermodynamics, high school physics...in
which I got an A+, of course, which stood me in good stead as an
undergrad.

>The boys
>from the men. Winnipeg hit -38C this winter, and that was with no wind thank
>goodness.
>> They make these neat things called "extension cords" that lets you bring a
>> hair drier outside.
> With a water cooled engine we use block heaters. <snip>

I used a Kim Hot-Start up in Canuckia back in my days up around
there, (a VERY common US make). It was 500W and kept an 8V71 Detroit
toasty enough to start on the first go 'round even at -20°C, along
with a 250W oil sump heater running 20W-20 MIL 5208 oil, then de
rigeur for any Detroit Diesel. Of course, starting any diesel
(assuming the fuel isn't gelled and the oil isn't too thick) is easier
at such cold temperatures anyway due to the lack of absolute moisture.
Having #1 ASTM fuel was a big help on 2 strokes, too, but that went
away everywhere after the First OPEC Embargo, and the only way to
"make" it after that was to cut #2 with some water white kerosene. The
WORST climate in which to start any diesel was around 5°C and high
humidity. The large amount of water vapor, coupled with the cool
intake air, would quench the detonation every time.

The Brits could never built deicers for aircraft, either. Ask anyone
who was over there in WWII and watched Lancasters fall out of the sky
due to wing rime, while the 17s and 24s just flew by unfazed.

>> They also build these neat things called "garages" that let you store cars
>> in a warmer environment.

> Whaaah? Parking a car in a garage, eh? But where
>would I then store all these 8 track carts, players, and other assorted
>treasures? <snip>

Well, that's your choice! The garage is for the car...the junk goes
in the junk room...or the dumpster, your choice.
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"William W Western" <protectedaccount DeleteThis @null.shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>> The wind chill will cause the car to cool off faster, but it won't get
>> any colder than if there is no wind chill.

> A car sitting in about -34C with no wind will
> stand a better chance starting than one sitting in -34C with a windchill
> of -46. That -46 wind chill separates the wheat from the chaff. The boys
> from the men. Winnipeg hit -38C this winter, and that was with no wind
> thank goodness.

Categorically untrue. Your car does not understand wind-chill. Wind-chill
is a reference for people only.

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William W Western wrote:
>> The wind chill will cause the car to cool off faster, but it won't get
>> any colder than if there is no wind chill.
> A car sitting in about -34C with no wind will
> stand a better chance starting than one sitting in -34C with a windchill
> of -46. That -46 wind chill separates the wheat from the chaff. The boys
> from the men. Winnipeg hit -38C this winter, and that was with no wind
> thank goodness.

How can wind make air at -34 C colder than -34 C? It will cool off the
car faster, but it won't make it any cold than -34 C.

>> They make these neat things called "extension cords" that lets you
>> bring a hair drier outside.
> With a water cooled engine we use block
> heaters. Also little interior car warmers that keep the interior warm
> and the windows clear. Some people even use a battery blanket as well.
> When we drove in the States years ago (60s) with three electric cords
> and plugs hanging out the front a gas jockey in southern Minnesota asked
> if it was an electric car. We also had these clear plastic panels you
> stuck to the inside of the glass, in essence making a "sealed unit" to
> fight frost buildup. Better defroster/heaters have rendered them
> obsolete and I haven't seen them in years. Driving a British car in
> Winnipeg winters back in the 50s and 60s was particularly adventurous. A
> "demister" was no match for a 1/8" coating of frost. "Okay, quit
> breathing so much, I can't see out the bloody windscreen".
>> They also build these neat things called "garages" that let you store
>> cars in a warmer environment.
> Whaaah? Parking a car in a garage, eh? But
> where would I then store all these 8 track carts, players, and other
> assorted treasures?
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> William W Western wrote:
>>> The wind chill will cause the car to cool off faster, but it won't get
>>> any colder than if there is no wind chill.
>> A car sitting in about -34C with no wind will
>> stand a better chance starting than one sitting in -34C with a windchill
>> of -46. That -46 wind chill separates the wheat from the chaff. The boys
>> from the men. Winnipeg hit -38C this winter, and that was with no wind
>> thank goodness.
>
> How can wind make air at -34 C colder than -34 C? It will cool off the car
> faster, but it won't make it any cold than -34 C.
>


You well know how this works Jeff - the wind blows some of those electrons
away, robbing the car of its full starting power.

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Mike Marlow wrote:
> "William W Western" <protectedaccount DeleteThis @null.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:sZMxj.16318$pM4.9748@pd7urf1no...
>>> The wind chill will cause the car to cool off faster, but it won't get
>>> any colder than if there is no wind chill.
>
>> A car sitting in about -34C with no wind will
>> stand a better chance starting than one sitting in -34C with a windchill
>> of -46. That -46 wind chill separates the wheat from the chaff. The boys
>> from the men. Winnipeg hit -38C this winter, and that was with no wind
>> thank goodness.
>
> Categorically untrue. Your car does not understand wind-chill. Wind-chill
> is a reference for people only.

And other animals exposed to the cold, like dogs and cats.
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> "William W Western" <protectedaccount.RemoveThis@null.shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:sZMxj.16318$pM4.9748@pd7urf1no...
>>>> The wind chill will cause the car to cool off faster, but it won't get
>>>> any colder than if there is no wind chill.
>>
>>> A car sitting in about -34C with no wind will
>>> stand a better chance starting than one sitting in -34C with a windchill
>>> of -46. That -46 wind chill separates the wheat from the chaff. The boys
>>> from the men. Winnipeg hit -38C this winter, and that was with no wind
>>> thank goodness.
>>
>> Categorically untrue. Your car does not understand wind-chill.
>> Wind-chill is a reference for people only.
>
> And other animals exposed to the cold, like dogs and cats.

Well yeah - but they don't complain about it.

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mmarlowREMOVE.RemoveThis@alltel.net
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:13:54 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE.TakeThisOut@alltel.net> wrote:

>> And other animals exposed to the cold, like dogs and cats.
>
>Well yeah - but they don't complain about it. <snip>

Oh yeah, they do! If I'd leave my Buster out in the cold morn air
after taking his morning constitutional, he'd sure bang on the door to
have me let him into the warm house!

Sidebar: Dogs aren't affected by "wind chill" on the same magnitude
as humans, as they do not sweat except through their tongues and feet.
"Wind chill" is a psychometric phenomenon, similar to what happened
when you measure atmospheric moisture with a psychrometer...the wick
on the wet bulb thermometer shows a depressed temperature from the dry
bulb due to evaporation of water. Same happens to people or any
animal that sweats through the skin.

It does NOT affect cars, except to cool them down to atmospheric
temperature faster.
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I hope you are in good shape, that a rather large area and things a pretty
far apart up there.





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....
>>> Electric car in Winnipeg? Forget it...might as well start walkin'.
>>
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