Fuel pumps blues again...

I went up and surveyed the shop question a few weeks ago. . . and it seems
to me that what we have is a two fold problem. Wife need her barn done
before Jeff can even think about taking cash to pour a floor in the new
shop. Even thou the "original" Studebaker shop came with dirt floors. <G>
What we need to do George is to get a un-official state meet/barn
rising/cement floor pouring at Deepnhock acres and the problem will be
solved. We pitch tents bring our Studebaker and make a weekend of it. Of
course Jeff will supervise from the Beer and Technology Center. <G> Feel
free to add you name to the list the more the merry. I even bring the
Yuengling . . .


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Rick Courtier
Studebaker George
Pat Skelly





"Studebaker George" <gstudebaker.RemoveThis@juno.com> wrote in message
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> One more leaky POS pump on a fairly new engine...and it's a fairly new
> pump... I have another new one on the shelf but I'm getting REAL
> tired of replacing them or messing around with the pins, etc. I'm
> also tired of cleaning up after they decide to take a pee all over
> everything. Ordered a Carter from SI; IIRC these are modified pumps
> form a ?Mopar?
> It isn't here yet, but wanted to know if anyone has had any experience
> with them. I hope someone I know gets his machine shop going soon so
> he can crank out the adapters we talked about to remedy the fuel pump
> blues...(yoo hoo, Jeffy...)
> Studebaker George
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Rick Courtier" <rick.TakeThisOut@graphicworkshop.com> wrote in message
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I went up and surveyed the shop question a few weeks ago. . . and it seems
to me that what we have is a two fold problem. Wife need her barn done
before Jeff can even think about taking cash to pour a floor in the new
shop. Even thou the "original" Studebaker shop came with dirt floors. <G>
What we need to do George is to get a un-official state meet/barn
rising/cement floor pouring at Deepnhock acres and the problem will be
solved. We pitch tents bring our Studebaker and make a weekend of it. Of
course Jeff will supervise from the Beer and Technology Center. <G> Feel
free to add you name to the list the more the merry. I even bring the
Yuengling . . .


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Rick Courtier
Studebaker George
Pat Skelly
Jerry Forrester
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Studebaker George wrote:
> One more leaky POS pump on a fairly new engine...and it's a fairly new
> pump... I have another new one on the shelf but I'm getting REAL
> tired of replacing them or messing around with the pins, etc. I'm
> also tired of cleaning up after they decide to take a pee all over
> everything. Ordered a Carter from SI; IIRC these are modified pumps
> form a ?Mopar?
> It isn't here yet, but wanted to know if anyone has had any experience
> with them. I hope someone I know gets his machine shop going soon so
> he can crank out the adapters we talked about to remedy the fuel pump
> blues...(yoo hoo, Jeffy...)
> Studebaker George

IMHO the only way to go with a mechanical fuel pump is to rebuild an
old, original Carter one. The new "airtex" pumps always leak. I put a
brand new appearing one with a boost reference fitting on my '55 just to
get it running, when I started up a long uphill all the oil that was
sitting on top of the diaphragm came out and onto the exhaust... scared
the yell out of me. I promptly found a NOS correct one, kitted it, and
all was well.

or you could just block plate it off (BBC block plate works) and use an
electric pump.

I'd rather do either of the above than use a new production fuel pump.

nate

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Where are these fuel pumps leaking from, and what is it leaking?
If I can assume they are leaking gasoline, is it from the diaphragm
area, with all the screws around it?

The reason I ask, I have had a few pumps that leaked, on some of the
20 or so, Studebakers I had owned over the last 38 years.

I was able to fix each one by taking out the screws and applying a
SMALL amount of shellac, or non-hardening Aviation Permatex to both
sides of the rubber diaphragm using a q-tip. Then tighten the screws
evenly.

This is fairly common and shows up more in cold weather, when the
rubber is stiff.

If it is squirting motor oil out of the vent hole, then the seal just
below the actuator arm is worn, or has shrunk.

If they leak engine oil at the mounting flange due to distortion, the
arm needs to be taken out and resurface the flange. Usually a piece
of sandpaper on a piece of flat glass, will allow you to sand off the
high spots. A larger washer under the two bolts, will help spread out
the clamping force. Some pumps had rectangular plates, instead of
washers, which act even better.
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George
The so called Carter pumps that S.I. sells are the same Airtex junk
pumps but re pakaged in a Carter box.
The only difference is that they have "Made In Canada" on it.
It is still the same junk Mopar 318 pump.
They leak around the pin.
Some people put some JB weld on the pins and that seems to help.
The problem with these pumps is that they do not make a full stroke.
It just barely pumps enough gas and when you punch it, the engine
starves.
I sell rebuild original Carter pumps for $75.00. These are rebuilt
using new rubber diaphrams and check
valves that are designed to withstand the ingredients in the modern
gas.
I have both metal bowl and glass bowl Carter pumps.
They have new filters installed.
R.Kapteyn
Joliet Studebaker Service
112 Bissel Street.
Joliet IL.60432
studebaker RemoveThis @mac.com
815 722 7262
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Thanks Robert, I was wondering about that....if indeed the pump shows
up and it is one of the same POS units I have been 'cussin for some
time, I will send it back and dig through my pile of old original
pumps. All of the Airtex/Master pumps say "made in Canada"...might as
well be CHINA!
BTW Robert, did you get my email about the shocks for the '38?
Studebaker George
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I agree with Nate. Go OEM Carter. Send your original to a reputable
rebuilder who will install a diaphram capable of dealing with todays
gasoline and your troubles will be over.
When my original went out, I bought an Airtex. In the meantime, I sent
the original off an had it rebuilt. The Airtex lasted about 6 months. When
it started pissin' gas, I put the rebuilt Carter back on and cured aall my
fuel pump related problems.
"Studebaker George" <gstudebaker RemoveThis @juno.com> wrote in message
news:3b54da94-cbe7-49af-984c-e9f9525f91b1@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> One more leaky POS pump on a fairly new engine...and it's a fairly new
> pump... I have another new one on the shelf but I'm getting REAL
> tired of replacing them or messing around with the pins, etc. I'm
> also tired of cleaning up after they decide to take a pee all over
> everything. Ordered a Carter from SI; IIRC these are modified pumps
> form a ?Mopar?
> It isn't here yet, but wanted to know if anyone has had any experience
> with them. I hope someone I know gets his machine shop going soon so
> he can crank out the adapters we talked about to remedy the fuel pump
> blues...(yoo hoo, Jeffy...)
> Studebaker George
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel pumps blues again... 

keith_kichefski DeleteThis @wed.dresser.com wrote:
> Where are these fuel pumps leaking from, and what is it leaking?
> If I can assume they are leaking gasoline, is it from the diaphragm
> area, with all the screws around it?
>
> The reason I ask, I have had a few pumps that leaked, on some of the
> 20 or so, Studebakers I had owned over the last 38 years.
>
> I was able to fix each one by taking out the screws and applying a
> SMALL amount of shellac, or non-hardening Aviation Permatex to both
> sides of the rubber diaphragm using a q-tip. Then tighten the screws
> evenly.
>
> This is fairly common and shows up more in cold weather, when the
> rubber is stiff.
>
> If it is squirting motor oil out of the vent hole, then the seal just
> below the actuator arm is worn, or has shrunk.
>
> If they leak engine oil at the mounting flange due to distortion, the
> arm needs to be taken out and resurface the flange. Usually a piece
> of sandpaper on a piece of flat glass, will allow you to sand off the
> high spots. A larger washer under the two bolts, will help spread out
> the clamping force. Some pumps had rectangular plates, instead of
> washers, which act even better.

I've had pumps (with somewhat corroded castings) that needed a little
dab of Permatex under the stem seal as well, to keep the oil off the top
of the diaphragm.

nate

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Studebaker George wrote:

> One more leaky POS pump on a fairly new engine...and it's a fairly new
> pump... I have another new one on the shelf but I'm getting REAL
> tired of replacing them or messing around with the pins, etc. I'm
> also tired of cleaning up after they decide to take a pee all over
> everything. Ordered a Carter from SI; IIRC these are modified pumps
> form a ?Mopar?
> It isn't here yet, but wanted to know if anyone has had any experience
> with them. I hope someone I know gets his machine shop going soon so
> he can crank out the adapters we talked about to remedy the fuel pump
> blues...(yoo hoo, Jeffy...)
> Studebaker George


That's why I abandoned the use of mechanical fuel pumps on Studebakers
years ago. Everything I have has an electric pump. No more problems...

JT
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I hear you.
I just can't reach you <lol>...
A tidbit of future optimism...
Somebody get me the Airtex p/n for the Stude pump.
Jeff (corporate gears turn slowly..) rice



"Studebaker George" wrote:...
> One more leaky POS pump on a fairly new engine...and it's a fairly new
> pump... I have another new one on the shelf but I'm getting REAL
> tired of replacing them or messing around with the pins, etc. I'm
> also tired of cleaning up after they decide to take a pee all over
> everything. Ordered a Carter from SI; IIRC these are modified pumps
> form a ?Mopar?
> It isn't here yet, but wanted to know if anyone has had any experience
> with them. I hope someone I know gets his machine shop going soon so
> he can crank out the adapters we talked about to remedy the fuel pump
> blues...(yoo hoo, Jeffy...)
> Studebaker George



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George (and others)...
Can you send me a 'failed' Airtex pump?
I need a couple (3 or 4) for a project...
(but these must be 'failed' pumps with leakage around the pivot pin)
Jeff


"Studebaker George" wrote...
> Thanks Robert, I was wondering about that....if indeed the pump shows
> up and it is one of the same POS units I have been 'cussin for some
> time, I will send it back and dig through my pile of old original
> pumps. All of the Airtex/Master pumps say "made in Canada"...might as
> well be CHINA!
> BTW Robert, did you get my email about the shocks for the '38?
> Studebaker George



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Wow... Up to three names already!
I just saw a sign up list that was two years old that had a whole two names
on it <lol>...
(something about some lady running for president <lol>)
Jeff
PS: I can just see how flat that floor would be with all those Stude guys
pushing bull floats....


"Rick Courtier" wrote...
>I went up and surveyed the shop question a few weeks ago. . . and it seems
>to me that what we have is a two fold problem. Wife need her barn done
>before Jeff can even think about taking cash to pour a floor in the new
>shop. Even thou the "original" Studebaker shop came with dirt floors. <G>
>What we need to do George is to get a un-official state meet/barn
>rising/cement floor pouring at Deepnhock acres and the problem will be
>solved. We pitch tents bring our Studebaker and make a weekend of it. Of
>course Jeff will supervise from the Beer and Technology Center. <G> Feel
>free to add you name to the list the more the merry. I even bring the
>Yuengling . . .
>
>
> Sign up list:
>
> Rick Courtier
> Studebaker George
> Pat Skelly



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Mine was leaking gas. I didn't examine it to see where the gas was leaking
from, I just limped home hoping that fire wouldn't break out. I was also
thinking how happy I was that I had had the factory original rebuilt.
Give me your address and I'll send you mine.
Dexter



"Jeff Rice" <deepnhockNOSPAHM DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> George (and others)...
> Can you send me a 'failed' Airtex pump?
> I need a couple (3 or 4) for a project...
> (but these must be 'failed' pumps with leakage around the pivot pin)
> Jeff
>
>
> "Studebaker George" wrote...
>> Thanks Robert, I was wondering about that....if indeed the pump shows
>> up and it is one of the same POS units I have been 'cussin for some
>> time, I will send it back and dig through my pile of old original
>> pumps. All of the Airtex/Master pumps say "made in Canada"...might as
>> well be CHINA!
>> BTW Robert, did you get my email about the shocks for the '38?
>> Studebaker George
>
>
>
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>
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