Fuel Prices... again...

As someone once said, "There's no such thing as a free lunch," so goes
it for the auto/big oil industry.

Those computers that whiz you much faster these days also consume a lot
more energy than that Commodore 64 of yesteryear. Still, speed is
good... sometimes.

Regarding oil prices.. It's the speculators who determine prices based
on hysteria, greed public gullibility. Add to this poor energy policies
by the guv'ment and our insatiable appetite for motor vehicles, and
well, you gits what you got.

I for one took action a couple years ago in the form of "reconditioning"
an old '82 Honda Civic that gets around 42mpg in mixed driving. It's
paid for and I have a ton of spare parts. Studebakers now are the luxury
occasional experience.

JT



Dale J. wrote:

> Gas here just went up the other day to $1.239 per liter (that's $4.69 per US
> gallon or $5.63 per Imperial gallon). WTF?!? If the Auto industry had
> kept up with progress and R&D like the Computer industry has we would all be
> driving 500 HP cars that get 80 MPG at 80 mPH. But the government and big
> oil won't let that happen now, will they...
>
>
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Dale J. wrote:
> Gas here just went up the other day to $1.239 per liter (that's $4.69 per US
> gallon or $5.63 per Imperial gallon). WTF?!? If the Auto industry had
> kept up with progress and R&D like the Computer industry has we would all be
> driving 500 HP cars that get 80 MPG at 80 mPH. But the government and big
> oil won't let that happen now, will they...
>
>

The computer industry? The same industry that built my X60 laptop that
takes a very expensive Li-Ion battery that will run for about 5 hours on
a charge? The same industry that built my Tandy 100 that will run for
WEEKS on 4AA batteries?!?

Plus if your car was like a PC (or even a MAC) every once in a while it
would quit running or all it's controls would lock up for no apparent
reason.

Annoying in a computer, disastrous in a car!
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And in spite of the hardships imposed by the fuel prices, NOT ONE taxing
agency, has offered to back down on taxes.

Seems that the oil companies are not the only greedy organizations about
these days.


"Dale J." <ramboj@sasktel'the_obvious'.net> wrote in message
news:4bednYHsNJnzrGTanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@sasktel...
> Gas here just went up the other day to $1.239 per liter (that's $4.69 per
> US gallon or $5.63 per Imperial gallon). WTF?!? If the Auto industry
> had kept up with progress and R&D like the Computer industry has we would
> all be driving 500 HP cars that get 80 MPG at 80 mPH. But the government
> and big oil won't let that happen now, will they...
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel Prices... again... 

"But the government and big oil won't let that happen now, will they..."
>
I find your theories intriguing, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel Prices... again... 

"Dale J." <ramboj@sasktel'the_obvious'.net> wrote in message
news:4bednYHsNJnzrGTanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@sasktel...
> Gas here just went up the other day to $1.239 per liter (that's $4.69 per
> US gallon or $5.63 per Imperial gallon). WTF?!? If the Auto industry
> had kept up with progress and R&D like the Computer industry has we would
> all be driving 500 HP cars that get 80 MPG at 80 mPH. But the government
> and big oil won't let that happen now, will they...
>
Unfortunately, fuel prices aren't the only thing affected by oil prices. I
suffered major sticker shock Saturday when I got a fertilizer bill. Urea
(nitrogen)- $515.79/ton, 18-46-0- $925.32/ton and potash (potassium)-
$605.26/ton. Fewer than five years ago the 18-46-0 was $249/ton and potash
was $157/ton.
Paul Johnson
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel Prices... again... 

If you are contending that the "taxing" agency(s) are those that collect
gas taxes, don't expect any relief there. In fact gas tax collections
are way down when viewed from a historical and actual perspective.

Traffic counts are down in most areas and when coupled with more
economical cars, funding for highways (new and maintenance) is dropping.

OTOH, gas price is governed by hysteria (speculation) and manipulation
by big oil. For example, last year when oil prices fell below $50 per
barrel, they managed to manipulate gas prices upward to around $3 per
gal and this year even with the high oil prices, claims of shortages are
just not true. There is plenty of product but again, manipulation is
taking place.

But, this is nothing new, right?

JT



jimandkathiekrise wrote:

> And in spite of the hardships imposed by the fuel prices, NOT ONE taxing
> agency, has offered to back down on taxes.
>
> Seems that the oil companies are not the only greedy organizations about
> these days.
>
>
> "Dale J." <ramboj@sasktel'the_obvious'.net> wrote in message
> news:4bednYHsNJnzrGTanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@sasktel...
>
>>Gas here just went up the other day to $1.239 per liter (that's $4.69 per
>>US gallon or $5.63 per Imperial gallon). WTF?!? If the Auto industry
>>had kept up with progress and R&D like the Computer industry has we would
>>all be driving 500 HP cars that get 80 MPG at 80 mPH. But the government
>>and big oil won't let that happen now, will they...
>>
>>
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel Prices... again... 

Paul Johnson wrote:

> "Dale J." <ramboj@sasktel'the_obvious'.net> wrote in message
> news:4bednYHsNJnzrGTanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@sasktel...
>
>>Gas here just went up the other day to $1.239 per liter (that's $4.69 per
>>US gallon or $5.63 per Imperial gallon). WTF?!? If the Auto industry
>>had kept up with progress and R&D like the Computer industry has we would
>>all be driving 500 HP cars that get 80 MPG at 80 mPH. But the government
>>and big oil won't let that happen now, will they...
>>
>
> Unfortunately, fuel prices aren't the only thing affected by oil prices. I
> suffered major sticker shock Saturday when I got a fertilizer bill. Urea
> (nitrogen)- $515.79/ton, 18-46-0- $925.32/ton and potash (potassium)-
> $605.26/ton. Fewer than five years ago the 18-46-0 was $249/ton and potash
> was $157/ton.
> Paul Johnson
>
>


Um, jis wot do youse plan w' all dat urea?

<G>

JT
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Shortages are maintained by restrictions on drilling and making huge
reserves of oil unavailable to development to satisfy environmental
lobbyists. Energy producers are free to raise their prices due to the
shortage of oil created by the Congress, so they can write some nice tax
deductable checks to the various
environmental pressure groups so they can continue to fleece the public and
erode freedom & property rights by spreading their BS about so-called global
waring..
Isn't it funny how those people keep fighting against development & drilling
, but never utter a peep about the invasion of millions of unassimilable
aliens into the country who will use water & energy, pollute the air with
the emissions from their vehicles, dump their garbage(especially soiled
diapers) into the environment and cause zillions of trees to be dozed to
make room for more housing, schools, and infrastrtucture.
Anyone truely concerned with the environment would make the immigration
invasion their top priority issue.
Barry'd in Studes

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy.RemoveThis@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:aUNKj.155717$cQ1.38868@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> If you are contending that the "taxing" agency(s) are those that collect
> gas taxes, don't expect any relief there. In fact gas tax collections are
> way down when viewed from a historical and actual perspective.
>
> Traffic counts are down in most areas and when coupled with more
> economical cars, funding for highways (new and maintenance) is dropping.
>
> OTOH, gas price is governed by hysteria (speculation) and manipulation by
> big oil. For example, last year when oil prices fell below $50 per barrel,
> they managed to manipulate gas prices upward to around $3 per gal and this
> year even with the high oil prices, claims of shortages are just not true.
> There is plenty of product but again, manipulation is taking place.
>
> But, this is nothing new, right?
>
> JT
>
>
>
> jimandkathiekrise wrote:
>
>> And in spite of the hardships imposed by the fuel prices, NOT ONE taxing
>> agency, has offered to back down on taxes.
>>
>> Seems that the oil companies are not the only greedy organizations about
>> these days.
>>
>>
>> "Dale J." <ramboj@sasktel'the_obvious'.net> wrote in message
>> news:4bednYHsNJnzrGTanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@sasktel...
>>
>>>Gas here just went up the other day to $1.239 per liter (that's $4.69 per
>>>US gallon or $5.63 per Imperial gallon). WTF?!? If the Auto industry
>>>had kept up with progress and R&D like the Computer industry has we would
>>>all be driving 500 HP cars that get 80 MPG at 80 mPH. But the government
>>>and big oil won't let that happen now, will they...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel Prices... again... 

It is easy to blame big oil for the sharp rise in prices at the pump,
but they are not necessarily to blame. Everyone has probably heard of
"Futures Markets". People speculate on what any given commodity might
be worth in the future and bid on it. With oil running around $108
bbl. it stands to reason that someone had to bid on it, at that
price. If there are no speculators to bid at those prices, it drops
in value. The same thing is happening to home prices, as buyers are
hoping prices drop more, before jumping in.
If you don't like the high prices of other things, those are most
likely also being run up by the 'futures market'.
While all of this 'fragile speculation' of commodities is running
rampant, it is just the latest up and coming debacle.
Not long ago we had the corporate book-cooking fiasco, that resulted
in Sarbanes-Oxley, having affected Tyco, Global Crossing, Enron and a
host of others.
After that came the housing crisis, brought about by shady lenders and
appraisers, hoping they could sell their 'inflated paper risk' to
someone else. This worked for a while and became global.
Now banks are afraid to lend, because they can't find a buyer for the
risk. Hence the 'credit crisis'.
Shady operators just jump from one thing to another thing, that is big
at the time.
That is until they get rounded up and "Do Time", while someone else
fills their shoes, inventing the next great debacle.
If enough people reduce their consumption of any given item, the
prices drop until the market resumes buying.
This goes for gasoline, food, houses AND Studebakers.
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel Prices... again... 

<keith_kichefski.RemoveThis@wed.dresser.com> wrote in message
news:67de489c-c321-4a3c-9df0-2942c3bef26d@n14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> It is easy to blame big oil for the sharp rise in prices at the pump,
> but they are not necessarily to blame. Everyone has probably heard of
> "Futures Markets". People speculate on what any given commodity might
> be worth in the future and bid on it. With oil running around $108
> bbl. it stands to reason that someone had to bid on it, at that
> price.

HANG the speculators! When oil FIRST hit over $100 BBL it was tracked
to ONE PERSON who says he did it just to prove that he could. He immediatly
turned arround and SOLD those shares AT A LOSS of over $600. He did it on a
lark.
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But there are no shortages. This is concocted entirely by big oil in
concert with the guv'ment and speculators. This administration has
presided over a nearly 400% rise in energy prices, double digit
increases in food prices et al.

I am no longer in favor of drilling but favor a changeover to new
technology. It is time to bury the internal combustion engine. It is
only a matter of time where electric vehicles will be the norm and
hopefully most power will not be generated by fossil fuels.

Of course, I really don't care a whole lot as my little gas sippin'
Honda just passes by gas stations one after another...

JT



Barry wrote:

> Shortages are maintained by restrictions on drilling and making huge
> reserves of oil unavailable to development to satisfy environmental
> lobbyists. Energy producers are free to raise their prices due to the
> shortage of oil created by the Congress, so they can write some nice tax
> deductable checks to the various
> environmental pressure groups so they can continue to fleece the public and
> erode freedom & property rights by spreading their BS about so-called global
> waring..
> Isn't it funny how those people keep fighting against development & drilling
> , but never utter a peep about the invasion of millions of unassimilable
> aliens into the country who will use water & energy, pollute the air with
> the emissions from their vehicles, dump their garbage(especially soiled
> diapers) into the environment and cause zillions of trees to be dozed to
> make room for more housing, schools, and infrastrtucture.
> Anyone truely concerned with the environment would make the immigration
> invasion their top priority issue.
> Barry'd in Studes
>
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy.RemoveThis@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:aUNKj.155717$cQ1.38868@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>If you are contending that the "taxing" agency(s) are those that collect
>>gas taxes, don't expect any relief there. In fact gas tax collections are
>>way down when viewed from a historical and actual perspective.
>>
>>Traffic counts are down in most areas and when coupled with more
>>economical cars, funding for highways (new and maintenance) is dropping.
>>
>>OTOH, gas price is governed by hysteria (speculation) and manipulation by
>>big oil. For example, last year when oil prices fell below $50 per barrel,
>>they managed to manipulate gas prices upward to around $3 per gal and this
>>year even with the high oil prices, claims of shortages are just not true.
>>There is plenty of product but again, manipulation is taking place.
>>
>>But, this is nothing new, right?
>>
>>JT
>>
>>
>>
>>jimandkathiekrise wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And in spite of the hardships imposed by the fuel prices, NOT ONE taxing
>>>agency, has offered to back down on taxes.
>>>
>>>Seems that the oil companies are not the only greedy organizations about
>>>these days.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dale J." <ramboj@sasktel'the_obvious'.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4bednYHsNJnzrGTanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@sasktel...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gas here just went up the other day to $1.239 per liter (that's $4.69 per
>>>>US gallon or $5.63 per Imperial gallon). WTF?!? If the Auto industry
>>>>had kept up with progress and R&D like the Computer industry has we would
>>>>all be driving 500 HP cars that get 80 MPG at 80 mPH. But the government
>>>>and big oil won't let that happen now, will they...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel Prices... again... 

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> But there are no shortages. This is concocted entirely by big oil in
> concert with the guv'ment and speculators. This administration has
> presided over a nearly 400% rise in energy prices, double digit
> increases in food prices et al.
>
> I am no longer in favor of drilling but favor a changeover to new
> technology. It is time to bury the internal combustion engine.

Except for the Studebakers!

DGH
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I'm with you.

Round up all the speculators, execute 'em on teevee and corral the rest
of shady operators and make 'em do time in the 'big house' breaking rocks.

I'm wondering when the average American sheeple will take back his/her
rights...

JT



keith_kichefski DeleteThis @wed.dresser.com wrote:

> It is easy to blame big oil for the sharp rise in prices at the pump,
> but they are not necessarily to blame. Everyone has probably heard of
> "Futures Markets". People speculate on what any given commodity might
> be worth in the future and bid on it. With oil running around $108
> bbl. it stands to reason that someone had to bid on it, at that
> price. If there are no speculators to bid at those prices, it drops
> in value. The same thing is happening to home prices, as buyers are
> hoping prices drop more, before jumping in.
> If you don't like the high prices of other things, those are most
> likely also being run up by the 'futures market'.
> While all of this 'fragile speculation' of commodities is running
> rampant, it is just the latest up and coming debacle.
> Not long ago we had the corporate book-cooking fiasco, that resulted
> in Sarbanes-Oxley, having affected Tyco, Global Crossing, Enron and a
> host of others.
> After that came the housing crisis, brought about by shady lenders and
> appraisers, hoping they could sell their 'inflated paper risk' to
> someone else. This worked for a while and became global.
> Now banks are afraid to lend, because they can't find a buyer for the
> risk. Hence the 'credit crisis'.
> Shady operators just jump from one thing to another thing, that is big
> at the time.
> That is until they get rounded up and "Do Time", while someone else
> fills their shoes, inventing the next great debacle.
> If enough people reduce their consumption of any given item, the
> prices drop until the market resumes buying.
> This goes for gasoline, food, houses AND Studebakers.
 >> Stay informed about: Fuel Prices... again...