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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:07 am
Post subject: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!!
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I'm trying to get as much research for this as I possibly can before taking
action. Any info you guys could provide would be greatly appreciated!
My Situation:
Sometimes when I go to start my truck, I will turn the engine over and when
it fires up there are a series of 4 knocks and then it goes away. Each and
every time it does it, it's four knocks. It usually happens after the engine
has been sitting for the night. I took my truck to a mechanic concerning this
"knock". He said it sounded like front/rear main bearings or possibly the
crank shaft, but he could not tell which area it came from. What puzzled him
is that it only "knocked" four times and then went away. After that,
everything sounded perfect. Absolutely NO ENGINE NOISE WHAT SO EVER. He
commented that the truck ran remarkably well.
Info I recieved from another forum:
this is most likely a problem with the crankshaft main bearings. general
motors had a bulletin on this when these engines were new and the fix was to
measure the main bearings and install oversized bearings on the mains. they
also note that this will not affect the longevity of the engine. bottom line
is leave it alone.
Do you guys concur with this response?
Thank you for your input!
Phil |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:07 am
Post subject: Re: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On May 5, 1:07 am, "Dunamis" <u43397@uwe> wrote:
> I'm trying to get as much research for this as I possibly can before taking
> action. Any info you guys could provide would be greatly appreciated!
>
> My Situation:
>
> Sometimes when I go to start my truck, I will turn the engine over and when
> it fires up there are a series of 4 knocks and then it goes away. Each and
> every time it does it, it's four knocks. It usually happens after the engine
> has been sitting for the night. I took my truck to a mechanic concerning this
> "knock". He said it sounded like front/rear main bearings or possibly the
> crank shaft, but he could not tell which area it came from. What puzzled him
> is that it only "knocked" four times and then went away. After that,
> everything sounded perfect. Absolutely NO ENGINE NOISE WHAT SO EVER. He
> commented that the truck ran remarkably well.
>
> Info I recieved from another forum:
>
> this is most likely a problem with the crankshaft main bearings. general
> motors had a bulletin on this when these engines were new and the fix was to
> measure the main bearings and install oversized bearings on the mains. they
> also note that this will not affect the longevity of the engine. bottom line
> is leave it alone.
>
> Do you guys concur with this response?
>
> Thank you for your input!
>
> Phil
Sounds like classic bearing rattle to me. You get it at startup till
the pressure builds up.
Longevity? Hard to say. Were it me, Id think about using a heavier oil
and see if that helps any.
Maybe a can of oil treatment. You want to prevent the rattle. I have
to assume when it rattles it is potentially scarring the bearing. For
putting around town you may get by for a long time, Id be afraid to
make any long distance trips.
Id also think twice before I gunned it to get around grandpa. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:57 am
Post subject: Re: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Dunamis" <u43397@uwe> wrote in message news:83af08b03e6ec@uwe...
> I'm trying to get as much research for this as I possibly can before
> taking
> action. Any info you guys could provide would be greatly appreciated!
>
> My Situation:
>
> Sometimes when I go to start my truck, I will turn the engine over and
> when
> it fires up there are a series of 4 knocks and then it goes away. Each and
> every time it does it, it's four knocks. It usually happens after the
> engine
> has been sitting for the night. I took my truck to a mechanic concerning
> this
> "knock". He said it sounded like front/rear main bearings or possibly the
> crank shaft, but he could not tell which area it came from. What puzzled
> him
> is that it only "knocked" four times and then went away. After that,
> everything sounded perfect. Absolutely NO ENGINE NOISE WHAT SO EVER. He
> commented that the truck ran remarkably well.
>
> Info I recieved from another forum:
>
> this is most likely a problem with the crankshaft main bearings. general
> motors had a bulletin on this when these engines were new and the fix was
> to
> measure the main bearings and install oversized bearings on the mains.
> they
> also note that this will not affect the longevity of the engine. bottom
> line
> is leave it alone.
>
> Do you guys concur with this response?
>
> Thank you for your input!
>
> Phil
>
It is simply the hydraulic lifters pumping back up after leaking down
overnight. Engines have been doing this ever since hydraulic lifters were
invented. There is nothing wrong, they are working like they are supposed
to. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_lifters if you don't
understand.
Randal >> Stay informed about: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Dunamis" <u43397@uwe> wrote in message
news:83af08b03e6ec@uwe...
> I'm trying to get as much research for this as
> I possibly can before taking
> action. Any info you guys could provide would
> be greatly appreciated!
>
> My Situation:
>
> Sometimes when I go to start my truck, I will
> turn the engine over and when
> it fires up there are a series of 4 knocks and
> then it goes away. Each and
> every time it does it, it's four knocks. It
> usually happens after the engine
> has been sitting for the night.
I know this sounds kind of weird----but have you
had any work done on the AC?
If there is a bit too much oil in the AC system,
it will settle in the pump lower
cylinder overnight, and knock a few times on
start-up. Had it happen on my
94 K1500.
Bill >> Stay informed about: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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How about the year and engine?????, some 4.8 and 5.3 engones had an issue
with the oil pump to block seal which caused some start up issues
"Dunamis" <u43397@uwe> wrote in message news:83af08b03e6ec@uwe...
> I'm trying to get as much research for this as I possibly can before
> taking
> action. Any info you guys could provide would be greatly appreciated!
>
> My Situation:
>
> Sometimes when I go to start my truck, I will turn the engine over and
> when
> it fires up there are a series of 4 knocks and then it goes away. Each and
> every time it does it, it's four knocks. It usually happens after the
> engine
> has been sitting for the night. I took my truck to a mechanic concerning
> this
> "knock". He said it sounded like front/rear main bearings or possibly the
> crank shaft, but he could not tell which area it came from. What puzzled
> him
> is that it only "knocked" four times and then went away. After that,
> everything sounded perfect. Absolutely NO ENGINE NOISE WHAT SO EVER. He
> commented that the truck ran remarkably well.
>
> Info I recieved from another forum:
>
> this is most likely a problem with the crankshaft main bearings. general
> motors had a bulletin on this when these engines were new and the fix was
> to
> measure the main bearings and install oversized bearings on the mains.
> they
> also note that this will not affect the longevity of the engine. bottom
> line
> is leave it alone.
>
> Do you guys concur with this response?
>
> Thank you for your input!
>
> Phil
>
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On May 5, 11:57 am, "Randal O'Brian" <ROBRI....TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> "Dunamis" <u43397@uwe> wrote in messagenews:83af08b03e6ec@uwe...
> > I'm trying to get as much research for this as I possibly can before
> > taking
> > action. Any info you guys could provide would be greatly appreciated!
>
> > My Situation:
>
> > Sometimes when I go to start my truck, I will turn the engine over and
> > when
> > it fires up there are a series of 4 knocks and then it goes away. Each and
> > every time it does it, it's four knocks. It usually happens after the
> > engine
> > has been sitting for the night. I took my truck to a mechanic concerning
> > this
> > "knock". He said it sounded like front/rear main bearings or possibly the
> > crank shaft, but he could not tell which area it came from. What puzzled
> > him
> > is that it only "knocked" four times and then went away. After that,
> > everything sounded perfect. Absolutely NO ENGINE NOISE WHAT SO EVER. He
> > commented that the truck ran remarkably well.
>
> > Info I recieved from another forum:
>
> > this is most likely a problem with the crankshaft main bearings. general
> > motors had a bulletin on this when these engines were new and the fix was
> > to
> > measure the main bearings and install oversized bearings on the mains.
> > they
> > also note that this will not affect the longevity of the engine. bottom
> > line
> > is leave it alone.
>
> > Do you guys concur with this response?
>
> > Thank you for your input!
>
> > Phil
>
> It is simply the hydraulic lifters pumping back up after leaking down
> overnight. Engines have been doing this ever since hydraulic lifters were
> invented. There is nothing wrong, they are working like they are supposed
> to. Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_lifters if you don't
> understand.
>
> Randal- Hide quoted text -
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Well...now theres "rattle" and there's "tick tick tick". If its rattle
rattle rattle, Im leaning towards rod/crank bearing. If its "tick tick
tick" then definately lifters. This has been my experience anyway. >> Stay informed about: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On May 5, 3:58 pm, "Dunamis via CarKB.com" <u43397@uwe> wrote:
> It's a 95 K1500 w/ 5.7 350 engine. 203K miles on the truck, but I put in a
> new "crate" engine about 8 years ago. I think it MAY have 50K on it. The
> issue is that I bought the truck when I was a young punk and only had one
> thing on my mind and it wasn't the truck. So, the truck has been neglected in
> the past. Now I'm trying to bring the truck back up to its former glory. I
> want to get everything under the hood where it needs to be to get optimum
> efficiency and functionality before I start working on the outside of the
> truck.
>
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> Message posted via CarKB.comhttp://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/chevrolet-trucks/200805/1
May not make a difference, but just for kicks, Id remove the
serpentine belt and crank the engine cold, and see if you get any
rattle. You never know, sometimes idler bearings, alternators, etc,
make odd noises.
I just did this with my step sons Jimmy, to try and isolate noise.
Didnt help, rod /crank bearing for sure. Off topic, but they only want
1800 bucks for a 4.3 long block!! (Napa and the Zone) Maybe yours wont
be so bad? Ill cross my fingers. >> Stay informed about: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:51 am
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On May 5, 9:19 pm, "Dunamis via CarKB.com" <u43397@uwe> wrote:
> Not a "tick" or "rattle". If you knock on a desk or door with your knuckle,
> that's the sound. I spoke with an old timer up in North Ga today that has
> been the lead technician at his chevy dealership for forty years. I described
> the noise and circumstances in which the noise takes place. He said that his
> truck made that exact same noise on cold starts as well. He said his trucked
> started doing that @ about 50K miles and now it has 300K and still makes the
> noise. HE said oil filters with check valves and radiator oil coolers could
> easily cause the problem. He told me that if I wanted to buy an engine he
> could gladly sell me one, but he told me that he would hate to see me waste
> money on an engine when the engine I have has a knock that is little more
> than an annoyance on cold starts. He said use 20 W30 ( thicker oil) and STP
> and the noise should go away. HE also recommended marvel mystery oil.
>
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> Message posted via CarKB.comhttp://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/chevrolet-trucks/200805/1
Then thats what Id do. Go with a heavier oil, add a little additive,
and ride it out. Your guy in Ga is describing a pressure problem. Once
the engine has run for a few seconds the pressure builds and the knock
goes away. Just remember, this may be an annoyance, but it "is" a weak
spot in the engine. It may run another 100,000 miles before she blows,
just be carefull not to be drag racing between stoplights and it may
run a long time. Oil pressure is the life of an engine, even for a few
seconds rattle, on a cold start, can be doing damage, may not get you
now, but it will eventually. Change the oil, put in the additive, and
good luck! >> Stay informed about: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:31 am
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On May 7, 11:27 pm, "Dunamis via CarKB.com" <u43397@uwe> wrote:
> MY truck has now started doing the knock on a warm start. I want to replace
> my main/crankshaft both while I have a little extra money and before my
> engine locks up . How much would you charge someone to do it or how much
> would you pay someone to do it? $300.00???
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> Message posted viahttp://www.carkb.com
Wow, Im not sure 300 bucks will get the engine pulled. Much depends on
the condition of the crank. If it needs turning (probably will), plus
the cost of a gasket kit, seals, and labor, you are looking at way
more than 300 bucks. Id get estimates from a few mechanics before I
take it in.
If you can do the labor yourself, 300 bucks might get it done. Theres
not that much to a bottom end, make sure each rod/main cap goes back
to the same place, use a litle STP on the new bearings, torque
everything down. Oh...just for kicks, Id replace the oil pump, you
never know, that could be the weak spot that led to bearing
failure...and take the crank to your local parts house have them check
its tolerances, and turn if need be. Then they can match up your
bearings.
...now back when I was a teenager, I replaced my mains/rod bearings in
my old 67 Chevy truck, lying on my back, in the gravel, with the motor
still in the truck. (straight six) Of course these days, there not
that kind of room underneath one.... >> Stay informed about: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:04 am
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Dunamis via CarKB.com wrote:
> I checked, I'm looking at about $120.00 for parts, that's new
> main/crank shaft bearings, gasket sets, and oil pump. I met a guy
> that said he would change out the bearings for $300 labor. I have
> access to an auto hobby shop here on base. They have truck lifts ,
> cherry pickers and engine stands. SO I may try an do it myself. But
> I'm not sure if I'm up to doing something that in-depth...
Before you do all that work for all that money, I think you should google
"piston slap." Its really common in lat model GM motors. It happens in new
trucks and GM won't fix it. They say its nothing to worry about and its not
covered under warranty. The point is, if its piston slap, you can do all
kinds of work to it, and the day you start it back up, the rattle will still
be there. Get a professional opinion first. If its a bearing problem, then
you got to work on it. >> Stay informed about: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:56 am
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On May 9, 8:44 am, "Dunamis via CarKB.com" <u43397@uwe> wrote:
> I know what you guys are gonna say, "this guys is wishyiwashy!" You are right.
> I have crate engine in my truck , so I called the manufacturer of the engine
> to find out my bearing size so I could replace the bearings. He put it to me
> like this. If your knock goes away in just a second or two, not much to worry
> about. Now if the knock persists the whole time, you've got an issue. Even
> then you'd be throwing good money to bad by working on the engine because if
> there is damage done to the metal, it's probably shot metal shaving
> throughout the engine that you'll never be able to completely clean out. At
> this point I'm going to run some 10w40 and STP and see what happens.
>
> Thanks all for your input!!!
>
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> Message posted viahttp://www.carkb.com
Sometimes when you take precautions like heavier oil and additives,
then take it easy on the engine, you can get em to go a good ways
before the problem really bites you on the ass. Really, the cheapest
way to eek out whatever you can get out of it.
Good Luck! >> Stay informed about: Engine Knock Right at Engine Start only!! |
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