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David Slelton

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:25 pm
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Hi again All

Any one else tried the "Efficient Dynamics" models with electric power
assisted steering (not the active steering) ?

I found them to be quite vague and lacking in feedback to the extent that it
does not feel like a BMW should.

The "Brake Energy Regeneration" is not real brake energy regeneration as
used on fork lift trucks and other electric vehicles, as the car is not
converting kinetic energy to electrical energy in the true sense of the
phrase.
Most modern cars do not charge the battery 100% of the time, but pulse the
battery in a ratio of on / off duty cycle according to the demand on the
electrical system, so it's not much of a new technology in my opinion.

Low rolling resistance tyres, if that was a serious issue, then BMW should
ditch those darn runflat tyres and also reduce width and diameter of the
wheel. Narrower tyres give better mpg and better acceleration, and in the
wet, they give better grip too.

The marketing guys take a real liberty with the truth. I could go on, but I
think you get the idea that I won't be owning a BMW 3 series registered
after
August 2007.

Regards

David Skelton

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At least as a manufacturer they are trying to make their engines more
efficient while keeping performace. Don't know where you are from but
in the UK I think the efficient dynamics engines are superb. Take the
2008 330i for example, now thanks to efficient dynamics has 173g/km
Co2 emmisions. In real terms here this means paying a lot less in road
tax and get an avg (on paper at least) 10 mpg more compared to the old
model. I haven't found a 3.0l engine from any other manufacturer that
gets close to the performance, mpg and Co2 to the 330i. The running
costs of this car which has a 0-60 of around 6 seconds are comaparable
to a 'normal' family saloon like a 2.0l ford mondeo whereas the older
model was much higher.

I agree with some of what you are saying, especially about the run
flats, they cost too much too replace. Also that some might not like
the feel of electric steering but if you want a high performace saloon
that doesn't have ridiculous running costs you'd be struggling to
better it. Just my opinion btw as I'm looking to buy one pretty soon!

p.s. I haven't driven one long enough to get any decent mpg ratings so
I could be talking rubbish. I'm just going on the paper figures.
Anyone got a 2008 330/325i with efficent dynamics that could maybe
correct what I've said?

Regards

Dave

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:25 pm
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alexanderd79 RemoveThis @googlemail.com wrote:
> At least as a manufacturer they are trying to make their engines more
> efficient while keeping performace. Don't know where you are from but
> in the UK I think the efficient dynamics engines are superb. Take the
> 2008 330i for example, now thanks to efficient dynamics has 173g/km
> Co2 emmisions. In real terms here this means paying a lot less in road
> tax and get an avg (on paper at least) 10 mpg more compared to the old
> model. I haven't found a 3.0l engine from any other manufacturer that
> gets close to the performance, mpg and Co2 to the 330i. The running
> costs of this car which has a 0-60 of around 6 seconds are comaparable
> to a 'normal' family saloon like a 2.0l ford mondeo whereas the older
> model was much higher.
>
> I agree with some of what you are saying, especially about the run
> flats, they cost too much too replace. Also that some might not like
> the feel of electric steering but if you want a high performace saloon
> that doesn't have ridiculous running costs you'd be struggling to
> better it. Just my opinion btw as I'm looking to buy one pretty soon!
>
> p.s. I haven't driven one long enough to get any decent mpg ratings so
> I could be talking rubbish. I'm just going on the paper figures.
> Anyone got a 2008 330/325i with efficent dynamics that could maybe
> correct what I've said?
>
> Regards
>
> Dave

For comparison purposes. I have a 07 plate 335d without the efficient
dynamics and have averaged 45 mpg on a long run to Wales and back down the
M4, but normal average for shorter runs down A roads it is about 37 mpg or
above. How does that compare with the new models? Personally I'm very
happy with the fuel economy as it has the performance and happily eats up
the miles without effort.

Graham
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:41 am
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On 22 Oct, 11:57, "David Skelton" <david.skelton8....RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi
> Thanks for your reply.
> I my opinion, you will not get anywhere near the mpg figures quoted by BMW
> for their Efficient Dynamics" engines. The differences between the quoted
> figures of the new models and the actual results drivers are getting are
> much bigger than models previous to Efficient Dynamics. All I say is beware.
> I've had my current 06/56 330d (197g CO2) auto for 2 months now and am
> getting very nearly the same mpg of the 06/55 320d (153g CO2) manual I had
> before, and the two before that, one an E46 (148g CO2). None are Efficient
> Dynamics models.
> I think that the Efficient Dynamics program is part of a plan by BMW to
> maintain their level of sales, 70% of BMW's business is company cars, and to
> maintain the level of sales since company cars ( and drivers) are taxed
> according to CO2 figures as well now, they have had to find ways to reduce
> the fuel consumption of their cars. One of the ways was to introduce the
> stop start technology which other manufacturers toyed with in the eighties.
> But in the UK, drivers do not use their handbrakes at junctions or traffic
> lights, they hold the car stationary using the footbrake instead. I once
> calculated that in the UK alone, this wastes megawatts of energy daily just
> from the illumination of the brake lights.
> Also, the brake energy regeneration is meant to only charge the battery if
> it is low, or on the overrun, that is when the car is in motion but not
> under power from the engine.
> Imagine in winter in a major city in rush hour gridlock, drivers have their
> lights on, air con running to keep the screens clear, CD playing, if it is
> raining then wipers on, car not moving. A large electrical demand on the
> vehicle's electrics, but no supply from the alternator because either the
> engine is not running to save fuel. Every time the car moves, then more
> demand from the battery to start the engine.
> A vehicle does a better mpg if the battery is fully charged.
>
> BMW does make fabulous engines, don't get me wrong, and their cars are fine
> to drive compared to the competition, but they were better before the
> introduction of Efficient Dynamics and run flats.I just wish I had the
> choice of not having electric steering and having a proper space to carry a
> spare tyre.
>
> By the way, I got a new tyre 'all inclusive' for £140.41p ,  £84 cheaper
> than the dealer wanted for exactly the same tyre in the pics in the above
> posting.
>
> Try the 330d. You might be surprised. Better mpg than the petrol, much more
> torque, and lower CO2 too.
>
> Best regards
>
> David Skelton
>
> "alexander...@googlemail.com" <alexand....RemoveThis@tesco.net> wrote in message
>
> news:7382b1e3-389a-4f99-899b-5fcec8d53c48@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > At least as a manufacturer they are trying to make their engines more
> > efficient while keeping performace. Don't know where you are from but
> > in the UK I think the efficient dynamics engines are superb. Take the
> > 2008 330i for example, now thanks to efficient dynamics has 173g/km
> > Co2 emmisions. In real terms here this means paying a lot less in road
> > tax and get an avg (on paper at least) 10 mpg more compared to the old
> > model. I haven't found a 3.0l engine from any other manufacturer that
> > gets close to the performance, mpg and Co2 to the 330i. The running
> > costs of this car which has a 0-60 of around 6 seconds are comaparable
> > to a 'normal' family saloon like a 2.0l ford mondeo whereas the older
> > model was much higher.
>
> > I agree with some of what you are saying, especially about the run
> > flats, they cost too much too replace.  Also that some might not like
> > the feel of electric steering but if you want a high performace saloon
> > that doesn't have ridiculous running costs you'd be struggling to
> > better it. Just my opinion btw as I'm looking to buy one pretty soon!
>
> > p.s. I haven't driven one long enough to get any decent mpg ratings so
> > I could be talking rubbish. I'm just going on the paper figures.
> > Anyone got a 2008 330/325i with efficent dynamics that could maybe
> > correct what I've said?
>
> > Regards
>
> > Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I must admit I have considered the diesel 330 and that's a first for
me. In the past I have steered clear of diesel's, full stop, to be
honest I could never stand the sound of a diesel. However I am going
to try both a 325/330 petrol and 330d and decide. You are right I
might be surprised! It would be good if I could test both for a week
though! I read a couple of reviews of the new shape of 330d and
everything was good, especially the amount of torque and low tax. I
don't think I've ever been close to manufacturers estimates for mpg in
any of my cars, it's not a major issue for me but nice not to visit
the fuel pumps too often. I've still been looking at other
manufacturers but, for me, none compare. I think this will be the
first time I have actually really considered CO2 levels when buying a
car, thats what initially attracted me to the new 3 series. (I grudge
paying a lot for road tax for any car).
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:25 am
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Hi
Thanks for your reply.
I my opinion, you will not get anywhere near the mpg figures quoted by BMW
for their Efficient Dynamics" engines. The differences between the quoted
figures of the new models and the actual results drivers are getting are
much bigger than models previous to Efficient Dynamics. All I say is beware.
I've had my current 06/56 330d (197g CO2) auto for 2 months now and am
getting very nearly the same mpg of the 06/55 320d (153g CO2) manual I had
before, and the two before that, one an E46 (148g CO2). None are Efficient
Dynamics models.
I think that the Efficient Dynamics program is part of a plan by BMW to
maintain their level of sales, 70% of BMW's business is company cars, and to
maintain the level of sales since company cars ( and drivers) are taxed
according to CO2 figures as well now, they have had to find ways to reduce
the fuel consumption of their cars. One of the ways was to introduce the
stop start technology which other manufacturers toyed with in the eighties.
But in the UK, drivers do not use their handbrakes at junctions or traffic
lights, they hold the car stationary using the footbrake instead. I once
calculated that in the UK alone, this wastes megawatts of energy daily just
from the illumination of the brake lights.
Also, the brake energy regeneration is meant to only charge the battery if
it is low, or on the overrun, that is when the car is in motion but not
under power from the engine.
Imagine in winter in a major city in rush hour gridlock, drivers have their
lights on, air con running to keep the screens clear, CD playing, if it is
raining then wipers on, car not moving. A large electrical demand on the
vehicle's electrics, but no supply from the alternator because either the
engine is not running to save fuel. Every time the car moves, then more
demand from the battery to start the engine.
A vehicle does a better mpg if the battery is fully charged.

BMW does make fabulous engines, don't get me wrong, and their cars are fine
to drive compared to the competition, but they were better before the
introduction of Efficient Dynamics and run flats.I just wish I had the
choice of not having electric steering and having a proper space to carry a
spare tyre.

By the way, I got a new tyre 'all inclusive' for £140.41p , £84 cheaper
than the dealer wanted for exactly the same tyre in the pics in the above
posting.

Try the 330d. You might be surprised. Better mpg than the petrol, much more
torque, and lower CO2 too.

Best regards

David Skelton

"alexanderd79@googlemail.com" <alexanderd.TakeThisOut@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:7382b1e3-389a-4f99-899b-5fcec8d53c48@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> At least as a manufacturer they are trying to make their engines more
> efficient while keeping performace. Don't know where you are from but
> in the UK I think the efficient dynamics engines are superb. Take the
> 2008 330i for example, now thanks to efficient dynamics has 173g/km
> Co2 emmisions. In real terms here this means paying a lot less in road
> tax and get an avg (on paper at least) 10 mpg more compared to the old
> model. I haven't found a 3.0l engine from any other manufacturer that
> gets close to the performance, mpg and Co2 to the 330i. The running
> costs of this car which has a 0-60 of around 6 seconds are comaparable
> to a 'normal' family saloon like a 2.0l ford mondeo whereas the older
> model was much higher.
>
> I agree with some of what you are saying, especially about the run
> flats, they cost too much too replace. Also that some might not like
> the feel of electric steering but if you want a high performace saloon
> that doesn't have ridiculous running costs you'd be struggling to
> better it. Just my opinion btw as I'm looking to buy one pretty soon!
>
> p.s. I haven't driven one long enough to get any decent mpg ratings so
> I could be talking rubbish. I'm just going on the paper figures.
> Anyone got a 2008 330/325i with efficent dynamics that could maybe
> correct what I've said?
>
> Regards
>
> Dave
>
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In article <48ff070c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
david.skelton8758.DeleteThis@tiscali.co.uk says...

> By the way, I got a new tyre 'all inclusive' for £140.41p , £84
> cheaper
> than the dealer wanted for exactly the same tyre in the pics in the above
> posting.
>

Where did you get this - national chain?

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Hi

No, I got it from an independent whom has never given a competitive price to
me in the last 25 years. But, I did quote the price I got from
Valuetyres.co.uk

David

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In article <48ff070c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
david.skelton8758 DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk says...

> By the way, I got a new tyre 'all inclusive' for £140.41p , £84
> cheaper
> than the dealer wanted for exactly the same tyre in the pics in the above
> posting.
>

Where did you get this - national chain?

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"David Skelton" <david.skelton8758 DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> No, I got it from an independent whom has never given a competitive price
> to me in the last 25 years. But, I did quote the price I got from
> Valuetyres.co.uk
>
> David
>
> "Jeremy" <jeremy0505 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.236928e248376b0f98968d@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <48ff070c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
> david.skelton8758 DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk says...
>
>> By the way, I got a new tyre 'all inclusive' for £140.41p , £84
>> cheaper
>> than the dealer wanted for exactly the same tyre in the pics in the above
>> posting.
>>
>
> Where did you get this - national chain?
>
> --
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Sorry. Top posting again.

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:11:48 +0100, Jeremy <jeremy0505 RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <48ff070c$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
>david.skelton8758@tiscali.co.uk says...
>
>> By the way, I got a new tyre 'all inclusive' for £140.41p , £84
>> cheaper
>> than the dealer wanted for exactly the same tyre in the pics in the above
>> posting.
>>
>
>Where did you get this - national chain?


Of course you did - the car dealer sells CARS and services them.

A tyre dealer sells tyres - millions of them - so can discount.

You know yourself if you go to a supermarket and buy a pork chop for £2.50 from
the meat counter you can then go to the pre pack cooler cabinets and buy a pack
of 3 exactly the same for £3.00 or 3 packs for £7.99.

The more you buy the cheaper you get it.
Unfortunately - wide 19" tyres don't come cheap and are not fitted to a Ford
Fiesta or Skoda whatever.......

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In article <pheuf4h633rcs06fv6jqm8kpebe9ba3v1f DeleteThis @4ax.com>, hsg DeleteThis @h-gee.co.uk
says...

> Of course you did - the car dealer sells CARS and services them.
>
> A tyre dealer sells tyres - millions of them - so can discount.
>

Well sure but they are often not willing to do so - I phoned around 3 or
4 for run-flats for my E61 M-sport and they were all in the 190-220ukp
region.


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In article
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alexanderd79.RemoveThis@googlemail.com <alexanderd.RemoveThis@tesco.net> wrote:
> I must admit I have considered the diesel 330 and that's a first for
> me. In the past I have steered clear of diesel's, full stop, to be
> honest I could never stand the sound of a diesel.

Only BMW one I've any experience of is my neighbour's 535d. And you really
can't hear any difference on the move. It is a bit 'diesely' at cold start
from the outside - but a small price to pay.

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:09:57 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave.RemoveThis@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article
><7c8c3362-0c76-4cbf-9f6f-c5c221d954ce.RemoveThis@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
> alexanderd79.RemoveThis@googlemail.com <alexanderd.RemoveThis@tesco.net> wrote:
>> I must admit I have considered the diesel 330 and that's a first for
>> me. In the past I have steered clear of diesel's, full stop, to be
>> honest I could never stand the sound of a diesel.


Same here but I bought a 730d SE '07 and it is absolutely fantastic..........

Avg mpg floating locally is 34 when I was driving 22 miles to Portsmouth
everyday on the 259 and A27 I was getting 37+ that's AM commuting and back
around 16:00.

On a run from Chichester to Alicante in Spain at Easter I got 42 - 45 cruising
around 80 - 120 in places.

Although top speed is said to be 148 the speedo has gone past 155 a few times so
I guess it will touch 150+ in the right circumstances.

Brakes are excellent and tyre wear is or looks negligible with 26K on the clock.

Would definitely buy another but if I do move to Spain it might be the 3 series
or 5 touring but I must admit I hate the centre consul gear selector after the
column one on the 7 and the 7 has a great sat-nav - don't like the 5 series or
the 3 series ones.

They have spoilt the interior on the "lesser" models and I think the new 7
inside is very similar to the new 5 ------ ???? Might be a Jag next time folks
if they don't buck their ideas up.

Hugh

>
>Only BMW one I've any experience of is my neighbour's 535d. And you really
>can't hear any difference on the move. It is a bit 'diesely' at cold start
>from the outside - but a small price to pay.

Never hear it from inside and it'll blow the doors of most things you'll meet at
the traffic Light GP.

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