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Since: Jul 24, 2008
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:59 pm
Post subject: Durango transmission
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I'm helping out a friend with his '00 Durango 5.9L 4x4 that's in need of a
transmission rebuild (46RE). For the life of us, we can't figure out what's
holding the damn thing in. I've removed 4 converter bolts, 6 bellhousing
bolts (4 14mm bolts from the top/center of the bellhousing, and 2 16mm bolts
from the bottom of the bellhousing), and 1 16mm bolt that was holding the
front differential to the transmission. Something's still got it stuck,
because I can almost shake the damn truck off the lift from the back of the
transmission.
The FSM's next to useless here - no real details. It talks about some
engine-to-transmission struts, that I don't see (the FSM talked about this
for my truck's transmission, as well - they didn't exist - I figure maybe
that's on 2WD trucks?).
Anyone ever pulled one of these out of a Durango, and can tell me what I'm
missing? I'm about to stick a 10-ton power-wedge into the bottom of the
bellhousing and hope for the best. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:22 am
Post subject: Re: Durango transmission [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:59:08 -0400, Tom Lawrence wrote:
> I'm helping out a friend with his '00 Durango 5.9L 4x4 that's in need of
> a transmission rebuild (46RE). For the life of us, we can't figure out
> what's holding the damn thing in. I've removed 4 converter bolts, 6
> bellhousing bolts (4 14mm bolts from the top/center of the bellhousing,
> and 2 16mm bolts from the bottom of the bellhousing), and 1 16mm bolt
> that was holding the front differential to the transmission.
> Something's still got it stuck, because I can almost shake the damn
> truck off the lift from the back of the transmission.
>
> The FSM's next to useless here - no real details. It talks about some
> engine-to-transmission struts, that I don't see (the FSM talked about
> this for my truck's transmission, as well - they didn't exist - I figure
> maybe that's on 2WD trucks?).
>
> Anyone ever pulled one of these out of a Durango, and can tell me what
> I'm missing? I'm about to stick a 10-ton power-wedge into the bottom of
> the bellhousing and hope for the best.
what about the crank sensor hanging on the flex plate? did you take it
out? Remember it bolts to the bell housing and sits pretty damn close to
the flexplate. could have you hung. Otherwise I'd feel around the
bellhousing (yea i know that sucks) and make sure you didnt miss like a
top center bolt or something.
I'd bet its the crank sensor.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:41 am
Post subject: Re: Durango transmission [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> what about the crank sensor hanging on the flex plate? did you take it
> out?
No, of course not. ARGH! Son of a....
Thanks, Chris. I really should stick to the oil burners... our CPS is
nowhere NEAR the transmission  >> Stay informed about: Durango transmission |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:07 am
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:41:30 -0400, Tom Lawrence wrote:
>> what about the crank sensor hanging on the flex plate? did you take it
>> out?
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> No, of course not. ARGH! Son of a....
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> Thanks, Chris. I really should stick to the oil burners... our CPS is
> nowhere NEAR the transmission
Your welcome Tom, just let me know if that's it or there's something
more..
those things are easy to forget about stuffed way up there like they are.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:02 pm
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> Your welcome Tom, just let me know if that's it or there's something
> more..
Well, the CPS came out (after a bunch of struggling), but that wasn't what
was holding up the works. I decided to forego the hydraulics for a minute,
and instead resorted to a 5' 2x4 as a prybar. After a couple of good yanks,
and some screwdrivers to act as wedges, we finally got it off. It was
frozen up on the locating dowels. What a major bitch... but at least it's
out.
Next step... teardown, assessment, and rebuild. Compared to the above,
this is the easy part >> Stay informed about: Durango transmission |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:15 am
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:02:23 -0400, Tom Lawrence wrote:
>> Your welcome Tom, just let me know if that's it or there's something
>> more..
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> Well, the CPS came out (after a bunch of struggling), but that wasn't
> what was holding up the works. I decided to forego the hydraulics for a
> minute, and instead resorted to a 5' 2x4 as a prybar. After a couple of
> good yanks, and some screwdrivers to act as wedges, we finally got it
> off. It was frozen up on the locating dowels. What a major bitch...
> but at least it's out.
>
> Next step... teardown, assessment, and rebuild. Compared to the above,
> this is the easy part
not the first time I've heard of or seen dissimilar metal corrosion
holding the transmission to the engine. WHAT A PIA!!!!
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:15 am
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> not the first time I've heard of or seen dissimilar metal corrosion
> holding the transmission to the engine. WHAT A PIA!!!!
Yep. That's not even the half of it. While trying to get the CPS out, we
decided it would be easy enough to pull the passenger exhaust manifold.
Well, we fould the source of one of the exhaust leaks... one of the
manifold bolts pulled right out, and was noticably shorter than the others,
with a funny-looking end to it. Yep - it was sheared right off. Well,
there's a job for an Easyout. That should be fun.
As for the rest of the exhaust... WTF were these idiots thinking?! The
exhaust is all one piece, from the manifold flanges, through the Y-pipe,
through the cat, all the way back to the muffler. The only way to have
taken it down in one piece (as it was designed) would have been to drop the
crossmember that holds the torsion bar adjusters. F*** THAT!! So, after
slicing through it with a Sawz-All, it came out. I'll be picking up some
generic exhaust flanges and donut gaskets, and welding them on to either
side (if there's any real metal left to weld to once I clean all the rust
off).
Oh yeah, and speaking of rust, it's amazing the owner's still alive... I
can almost, ALMOST, poke a scratch awl through any of the brake hard lines
running down the driver's fender well. I have no idea how they were holding
up to braking pressure, but there's no way they can NOT be changed out - not
having that on my conscience. Now I gotta find my double-flaring tool...
son of a.... >> Stay informed about: Durango transmission |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:55 am
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> The broken exhaust manifold bolts were common down here atleast on the
> 3.9/5.2/5.9 family. lay a straight edge across the sealing surface of the
> manifold, I'll bet its warped.
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> --
> Chris
Let's not forget the 5.7 in that batch. There's been 3-4 in the shop over
the last couple of months with blown gaskets and warped manifolds. Always
been on the right side.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:30 pm
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:55:22 -0400, Denny wrote:
>> The broken exhaust manifold bolts were common down here atleast on the
>> 3.9/5.2/5.9 family. lay a straight edge across the sealing surface of
>> the manifold, I'll bet its warped.
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>> Chris
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> Let's not forget the 5.7 in that batch. There's been 3-4 in the shop
> over the last couple of months with blown gaskets and warped manifolds.
> Always been on the right side.
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> Denny
Yea see 5 years ago when I left the shop, the 5.7 was still the "new
thing" so I haven't messed with them.
But I'm glad things haven't changed much! <GBMFG>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:31 pm
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:39:11 -0400, Tom Lawrence wrote:
> You're assuming I plan on removing said manifold. I don't. Most of the
> rest of the fasteners are so rusted over, you can't even turn them
> anymore. Even my damaged bolt head extractor tools were just peeling
> layer after layer of what-used-to-be-steel off of them. Screw it. I'll
> try and get the one broken piece out if I can. If I can't, I'm filling
> the hole with JBWeld, sticking the bolt back in there, and sealing
> around the outer perimeter of the manifold with muffler/tailpipe
> sealant. Hey, nothing but the best around here!
Well, there's always the "hot wrench" that usually works on anything 
Besides just think of all the stuff that you could mess up in the
process! TONS OF FUN!!!! Be sure and throw in the "If this was a Cummins
powered truck, we wouldn't be doing all this (insert appropriate
adjective here)" as often as you can.
what's the prognosis on that tranny BTW?? have you even looked at it
since all the other fun started?
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