Doc,
Finally found some,
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From: mdstine (Original Message)
I own a 1997 Silverado with the 5.7 litre (350 ci) V8 engine. During a
service check for hard starting the dealer discovered that it was leaking
coolant from the intake manifold gasket. While I have owned it for nearly 5
years it only has 41,500 miles on it. And, as was pointed out in the letter
re: the possible class action suit this is not a part that suffers from
wear. I have written a complaint to chevrolet and also recieved a half-off
deal along with some rhetoric about extended contracts. I am assuming from
the conversation I had with the service rep and this reply that this is
common in these engines as well. I will attempt to send my information to
the lawyer involved in the clase action inquiry.
A co-worker of mine has a 1997 Yukon with the same engine. He has had his IM
gasket replaced twice. He has about 100,000 miles on it. I will ask him to
add his name to the list as well.
Mark Stine
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From: Justin Sent: 1/25/2003 12:45 PM
Hey Mark,
I just found out that I, too, get to replace my intake gaskets on my
1998 Tahoe. Oddly enough, not 5,000 miles ago, I replaced the water pump,
had the coolant system flushed, and pressure tested, and refilled. I spoke
with a good friend of mine who also owns a 1998 Tahoe, and sure enough (or
oddly enough) he replaced his intake gaskets as well. My mileage is 74,000.
His mileage was 75,000. Cooincidince? This is like clockwork. We both
had our normal service, oil changes every 3,000, etc.
I've written a letter to the dealership, Classic Chevrolet, here in
Dallas, TX, to ask that they comp the labor. I've read that some
dealerships in Canada are doing this. After all, it's a $14.99 part retail,
GM KNOWS there is a problem, and apparently, after the research I've done,
it is almost a ceretainty that new intake gasket replacement is in the
future of most GM engines with the post 1996 Vortec V-6 or V-8 with the
similar cheap gaskets.
I'm pretty livid now, after the research I've done, to have been told
that this is normal wear and tear. Bull _____. I researched service
bulletins and recalls and issues with Ford and Dodge, and their intake
gaskets RARELY fail.
Fortunately for me and my friend, the coolant leaked to the outside,
not to the inside, according to the dealership. I'm not so sure I believe
them, as there is some engine noise now. Ok, I've done enough rambling, and
for sure, enough driving of GM products.
Justin
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From: alumeye (Original Message) Sent: 1/23/2003 12:29 AM
I'm writing a letter to GM right now re: my '98 Olds Silouhette
that has misc. problems including a leaky intake manifold gasket. Was very
excited to see your petition; great work! As others, I'm curious to know
when/ if this petition is going to be sent off to GM? How many signatures
do you need? I just added the 1519th.
Earlier tonight I found this Technical Service Bulletin on this
site:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.alldata.com/TSB/44/984401GN.html" target="_blank">http://www.alldata.com/TSB/44/984401GN.html</a>
02-06-01-014 APR 02 Intake Manifold (Lower) - Revised
Installation
...which sounds like it might be related to the problem many of
us are having with our GM engines. Does anyone know how TSBs work? Are GM
dealers required to do these repairs free of charge or at some discount?
Does anyone have access to the full details on this TSB? Looks like
Alldata.com is in the busines of selling the details.
Tim
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And finally:
From: Alyson ~Petition Manager (Original Message) Sent:
6/23/2002 5:27 PM
A gentleman who came across our petition has gone yet even
further than the petition. Mr. Hawkins had this common problem in his '98
Transport and decided to email a lemon lawyer. With the help of everyone
involved, this could lead to a class action lawsuit against General Motors.
Following you will find the text of his correspondence with the Lemon Law
Lawyers.
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Start of Mr. Hawkins' email
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Dear Sir:
I have a 98 Pontiac Trans Sport that had an intake manifold
leak at 50,000 miles that caused coolant to leak into the oil. The cost of
the repair was about $650. My net research revealed this to be a very common
problem. For example see:
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I think this would be an ideal case for a class action suit. I
threatened GM with a law suit and they offered to reimburse me 1/2 the
repair cost. I refused because they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge that a
problem exists with the intake manifold gaskets on this line of V6 engines
although the problem is well documented.
This is an excerpt from an email from a person in a similar
situation:
"I am having the same trouble with my 99 venture. I am also
just beginning my fight with GM. I am also building a website in regards to
these motors. I am sure you are aware that this problem is not just
affecting the vans, but also most cars with the 3.1, 3.4, and the 3.8 V6
engines. I understand from a friend who is the service manager at a Chevy
dealer, that they get them in all the time. He says that GM is in the
"denial" stage. They know that the plastic gasket is inferior, but, at
least for now, are refusing to deal with the problem. He told me that GM
went to the lowest
bidder and they screwed up the plastic mixture on the gaskets,
and they simply are not lasting, and the company that GM screwed that made
the first gaskets is now laughing in their face. He said there are bound to
be class action suits popping up everywhere. Unfortunately, he also said
that most people are just not realizing that the gasket should very rarely
EVER go bad. He told me prior to these engines, they never replace a intake
gasket unless they did head gaskets."
(end of excerpt)
What do you think?
Mr. Hawkins [full name & contact information withheld by me,
Alyson]
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So it looks like you are right Doc.
I will have to have my friend John look at it.
Thanks again for your comments.
Ed
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""Doc"" <noway DeleteThis @nope.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed" <ed DeleteThis @online.net> wrote in message news:ZjDHd.9$5o4.6@fe09.lga...
> > To all-
> >
> > I checked the coolant level and it was low. It took about a gallon of
> > anti-freeze to top it off.
> > I erased the service engine soon light and drove it for about 6 miles
and
> > it
> > remained off.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Ed
>
> You have bigger problems...............intake manifold gaskets are likely
> leaking which is why the coolant was low. You need to check the oil for
> coolant and find that leak ASAP.
>
> Doc
>
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