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Harry Graham

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 5:44 pm
Post subject: C230 dash LCD display
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The mileage and temp display segments on my daughters car seem to go off and
on. Is this a simple fix or and expensive replacement.

Thanks
Harry

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Paul Hyndman2

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:16 pm
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 >Harry Graham wrote:

 > The mileage and temp display segments on my daughters car seem to go off
 > and
 > on. Is this a simple fix or and expensive replacement.

If the display darkens (background *and* numerals), it could be the
backlight(s) for the LCD display. LCDs are variable filters which must be
illuminated from behind to actually display anything. The lamps used are
typically like the 1.5 watt bulb seen at the bottom of this page (Osram bulb
with beige plastic base $1.58 each, as what my CLK uses):

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/5lu45" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/5lu45</a>

If they are the culprit, they are accessed from the backside of the
instrument panel. I meant to take and post some pics and details of my CLK's
instrument cluster when I had it out, but have not had time (sorry).

Basically, if the steering wheel can be moved down or extended, do so... the
extra clearance makes it easier to work on the panel. Next, two hooked
removal tools (available from Mercedes or can be made from stiff wire) are
inserted between the dash padding and the cluster, one each at the ten
o'clock and two o'clock positions, they are then rotated, and the instrument
cluster can be pulled out:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.designtech-intl.com/Content/techsupport/documents/section04/note159.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.designtech-intl.com/Content/techsupport/documents/section04...te159.p</a>

You may have two electrical cables on the back... one on each side. When the
instrument cluster is out enough to gain access, slip the (gray?) retainer
down and pivot out the connector, do the same for the other side and the
dash will come right out. You'll see a bunch of lamps on the back side.
Replace the ones that are behind the problem display. Of course it may just
be a loose connector (less likely, IMO), but the cluster would also have had
to been removed to reseat them.

Reassembly is a snap. Put the cluster back near the opening, re-insert the
cables and pop their retainers back up, then push the cluster back into the
opening... voila... finis!

Sounds tough, but the whole shebang can be done in well under an hour the
first time through it... if you ever need to do it again for other lamps,
you'll be able to do it in fifteen minutes or less (hey, you're a pro now!)

DISCLAIMERS:

IF YOU FEEL AT ALL UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THIS, THEN DON'T!!!!

ALSO: THIS MAY *NOT* BE THE ROOT OF YOUR PROBLEM!!!

Cheers,

Paul (who used to be a gearhead, but even as an old goat, still likes to get
his knuckles dirty every now and then)

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:40 pm
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 >Harry Graham wrote:

 > The mileage and temp display segments on my daughters car seem to go off
 > and
 > on. Is this a simple fix or and expensive replacement.

If the display darkens (background *and* numerals), it could be the
backlight(s) for the LCD display. LCDs are variable filters which must be
illuminated from behind to actually display anything. The lamps used are
typically like the 1.5 watt bulb seen at the bottom of this page (Osram bulb
with beige plastic base $1.58 each, as what my CLK uses):

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/5lu45" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/5lu45</a>

If they are the culprit, they are accessed from the backside of the
instrument panel. I meant to take and post some pics and details of my CLK's
instrument cluster when I had it out, but have not had time (sorry).

Basically, if the steering wheel can be moved down or extended, do so... the
extra clearance makes it easier to work on the panel. Next, two hooked
removal tools (available from Mercedes or can be made from stiff wire) are
inserted between the dash padding and the cluster, one each at the ten
o'clock and two o'clock positions, they are then rotated, and the instrument
cluster can be pulled out:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.designtech-intl.com/Content/techsupport/documents/section04/note159.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.designtech-intl.com/Content/techsupport/documents/section04...te159.p</a>

You may have two electrical cables on the back... one on each side. When the
instrument cluster is out enough to gain access, slip the (gray?) retainer
down and pivot out the connector, do the same for the other side and the
dash will come right out. You'll see a bunch of lamps on the back side.
Replace the ones that are behind the problem display. Of course it may just
be a loose connector (less likely, IMO), but the cluster would also have had
to been removed to reseat them.

Reassembly is a snap. Put the cluster back near the opening, re-insert the
cables and pop their retainers back up, then push the cluster back into the
opening... voila... finis!

Sounds tough, but the whole shebang can be done in well under an hour the
first time through it... if you ever need to do it again for other lamps,
you'll be able to do it in fifteen minutes or less (hey, you're a pro now!)

DISCLAIMERS:

IF YOU FEEL AT ALL UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THIS, THEN DON'T!!!!

ALSO: THIS MAY *NOT* BE THE ROOT OF YOUR PROBLEM!!!

Cheers,

Paul (who used to be a gearhead, but even as an old goat, still likes to get
his knuckles dirty every now and then)

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Harry Graham

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:45 pm
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No unfortunately, the individual segments are out, not the backlight.

Harry
"Paul Hyndman" <nospam@me> wrote in message
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  > >Harry Graham wrote:
 >
  > > The mileage and temp display segments on my daughters car seem to go off
  > > and
  > > on. Is this a simple fix or and expensive replacement.
 >
 > If the display darkens (background *and* numerals), it could be the
 > backlight(s) for the LCD display. LCDs are variable filters which must be
 > illuminated from behind to actually display anything. The lamps used are
 > typically like the 1.5 watt bulb seen at the bottom of this page (Osram
bulb
 > with beige plastic base $1.58 each, as what my CLK uses):
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/5lu45</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/5lu45</font</a>>
 >
 > If they are the culprit, they are accessed from the backside of the
 > instrument panel. I meant to take and post some pics and details of my
CLK's
 > instrument cluster when I had it out, but have not had time (sorry).
 >
 > Basically, if the steering wheel can be moved down or extended, do so...
the
 > extra clearance makes it easier to work on the panel. Next, two hooked
 > removal tools (available from Mercedes or can be made from stiff wire) are
 > inserted between the dash padding and the cluster, one each at the ten
 > o'clock and two o'clock positions, they are then rotated, and the
instrument
 > cluster can be pulled out:
 >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.designtech-intl.com/Content/techsupport/documents/section04/note1" target="_blank">http://www.designtech-intl.com/Content/techsupport/documents/section04/note1</a>
59.pdf
 >
 > You may have two electrical cables on the back... one on each side. When
the
 > instrument cluster is out enough to gain access, slip the (gray?) retainer
 > down and pivot out the connector, do the same for the other side and the
 > dash will come right out. You'll see a bunch of lamps on the back side.
 > Replace the ones that are behind the problem display. Of course it may
just
 > be a loose connector (less likely, IMO), but the cluster would also have
had
 > to been removed to reseat them.
 >
 > Reassembly is a snap. Put the cluster back near the opening, re-insert the
 > cables and pop their retainers back up, then push the cluster back into
the
 > opening... voila... finis!
 >
 > Sounds tough, but the whole shebang can be done in well under an hour the
 > first time through it... if you ever need to do it again for other lamps,
 > you'll be able to do it in fifteen minutes or less (hey, you're a pro
now!)
 >
 > DISCLAIMERS:
 >
 > IF YOU FEEL AT ALL UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THIS, THEN DON'T!!!!
 >
 > ALSO: THIS MAY *NOT* BE THE ROOT OF YOUR PROBLEM!!!
 >
 > Cheers,
 >
 > Paul (who used to be a gearhead, but even as an old goat, still likes to
get
 > his knuckles dirty every now and then)
 >
 > --- <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.astro-nut.com" target="_blank">http://www.astro-nut.com</a> ---
 >
 >
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Paul Hyndman2

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:40 pm
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 > Harry Graham wrote:
 >
 > No unfortunately, the individual segments are out, not the backlight.


Not to belabor the point, but you may not be aware that there are three
lamps behind this display. One for the left (Temperature), center (Trip
Odometer and Odometer), and right (Clock). The numbers for any section (is
this what you are referring to as a segment?) will be washed out or even
completely invisible if the associated back light is not working (the other
"segments" will appear normal). The back lights do not merely provide
background light "splashed" on the display, but are what actually makes the
numbers "glow". No light, no numbers for that segment!

The sections you mentioned ("the mileage and temp display segments") are
controlled by the left and center backlamps (two bulbs). They are filament
style bulbs (not LEDs) and if they are loose or damaged, the results would
be the symptoms you described.

Just a little food for thought!

Cheers,

Paul

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 > "Paul Hyndman" <nospam@me> wrote in message
 > news:F4WdnWcjsdETL03cRVn-1w@comcast.com...
   >> >Harry Graham wrote:
  >>
   >> > The mileage and temp display segments on my daughters car seem to go
   >> > off
   >> > and
   >> > on. Is this a simple fix or and expensive replacement.
  >>
  >> If the display darkens (background *and* numerals), it could be the
  >> backlight(s) for the LCD display. LCDs are variable filters which must be
  >> illuminated from behind to actually display anything. The lamps used are
  >> typically like the 1.5 watt bulb seen at the bottom of this page (Osram
 > bulb
  >> with beige plastic base $1.58 each, as what my CLK uses):
  >>
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/5lu45</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/5lu45</font</a>>
  >>
  >> If they are the culprit, they are accessed from the backside of the
  >> instrument panel. I meant to take and post some pics and details of my
 > CLK's
  >> instrument cluster when I had it out, but have not had time (sorry).
  >>
  >> Basically, if the steering wheel can be moved down or extended, do so...
 > the
  >> extra clearance makes it easier to work on the panel. Next, two hooked
  >> removal tools (available from Mercedes or can be made from stiff wire)
  >> are
  >> inserted between the dash padding and the cluster, one each at the ten
  >> o'clock and two o'clock positions, they are then rotated, and the
 > instrument
  >> cluster can be pulled out:
  >>
  >>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.designtech-intl.com/Content/techsupport/documents/section04/note1</font" target="_blank">http://www.designtech-intl.com/Content/techsupport/documents/section04...te1<</a>>
 > 59.pdf
  >>
  >> You may have two electrical cables on the back... one on each side. When
 > the
  >> instrument cluster is out enough to gain access, slip the (gray?)
  >> retainer
  >> down and pivot out the connector, do the same for the other side and the
  >> dash will come right out. You'll see a bunch of lamps on the back side.
  >> Replace the ones that are behind the problem display. Of course it may
 > just
  >> be a loose connector (less likely, IMO), but the cluster would also have
 > had
  >> to been removed to reseat them.
  >>
  >> Reassembly is a snap. Put the cluster back near the opening, re-insert
  >> the
  >> cables and pop their retainers back up, then push the cluster back into
 > the
  >> opening... voila... finis!
  >>
  >> Sounds tough, but the whole shebang can be done in well under an hour the
  >> first time through it... if you ever need to do it again for other lamps,
  >> you'll be able to do it in fifteen minutes or less (hey, you're a pro
 > now!)
  >>
  >> DISCLAIMERS:
  >>
  >> IF YOU FEEL AT ALL UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THIS, THEN DON'T!!!!
  >>
  >> ALSO: THIS MAY *NOT* BE THE ROOT OF YOUR PROBLEM!!!
  >>
  >> Cheers,
  >>
  >> Paul (who used to be a gearhead, but even as an old goat, still likes to
 > get
  >> his knuckles dirty every now and then)
  >>
  >> --- <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.astro-nut.com" target="_blank">http://www.astro-nut.com</a> ---
  >>
  >>
  >>
 >
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