Bio-Fuel

Bill,

I have seen the data that you are referring to. Yes, it seems that no
one figured in the opportunity cost of using foodstuffs for fuel. You
would think, however, that increased production and land useage would
offset the costs and provide employment for those out of work. If you
recall, George Washington Carver was working with Henry Ford on
producing a bio-diesel fuel from soy beans. This was in the thirties,
I believe. This issue may mean that we have to revisit our current
economic model and go back to Adam Smith. I was recently at a seminar
at the Fed Res Bank in NYC. One economist brought up this very point.
We are, IMHO, due for a major shift in economic theory and practice if
we our to survive. Just my .05 worth, I couldn't resist!
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It's mostly baloney! Timothy Patterson is partly funded by Exxon
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=1022

And below is what I found on the internet, including an email from
Dr.Tapping----

Of course, I pointed out in comments that for one thing, the Maunder minimum
is still quite controversial as a cause for the "Little Ice Age," and I've
pointed out several times that the best information we have says that solar
variance could account for at most a quarter of the warming we've been
seeing.

But I'm not a scientist. I just do basic research. And, when I noticed that
the IBD never actually directly quoted Dr. Tapping, and only talked about
him (all of the direct quotes come from R. Timothy Patterson, a fairly
well-known AGW denier), I decided to do something that the "fine
journalists" over at IBD couldn't be bothered to do: I contacted Dr.
Tapping directly and asked him about it. Dr. Tapping responds:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for the message. The stuff on the web came from a casual chat
with someone who managed to misunderstand what I said and then put the
result on the web, which is probably a big caution for me regarding the
future.

It is true that the beginning of the next solar cycle is late, but not
so late that we are getting worried, merely curious.

It is the opinion of scientists, including me, that global warming is a
major issue, and that it might be too late to do anything about it already.
If there is a cooling due to the solar activity cycle laying off for a bit,
then the a period of solar cooling could be a much-needed respite giving us
more time to attack the problem of greenhouse gases, with the caveat that if
we do not, things will be far worse when things turn on again after a few
decades. However, once again it is early days and we cannot at the moment
conclude there is another minimum started.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Regards,

Ken

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> Bill Glass wrote:
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>> Did anyone see tonights network news.? I did want to pos to the forum
>> butit was interesting. Seems some of those who have been pushing bio-fuel
>> forgot to place in their model the effects of turning land into bio-fuel.
>> You can read the entire article on the nbc.com website as reported by
>> Brian Willaims and then download the scientic paper written by the
>> original author who pushed for it.
>>
>> The basic premise is that by using land for bio-fuel,, specifically corn
>> and some crops in South America actually raises the carbo by 20% an would
>> take 48 years to break even.
>>
>> On the same piece a bio-fuel spoksman defended the original proposal but
>> their model was off, and did not take into account food costs.
>>
>> If you get a chance, take a few min and read the pdf file. I am not
>> taking sides bt found that the annoucement somewhat startlng
>
>
> Since this whole climate change issue is beginning to disintegrate anyway,
> y' might be interested in the latest scientific take on it:
>
>
> http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175
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>
> Besides, everytime someone reduces CO2 levels, they're depriving
> vegetation of a key nutrient.
>
> I'm doing my part... I'm only farting indoors...
>
> <G>
>
> JT
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"ALEX M." <eng42b.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> It's mostly baloney! Timothy Patterson is partly funded by Exxon
> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=1022
>
> And below is what I found on the internet, including an email from
> Dr.Tapping----
>
It gets even wilder. According to the History Chanel and some web sites
there is a thing called Precession. This (according to them) happens every
26,000 years, and is supposed to happen again in 2012. I have looked up
Prescession and got a lot of fancy scientific stuff, but what I get from it
is that the earth moves it's poles about 3 degrees.

One site says GW is actually our getting closer to this Precession, as it
won't be on a specific Tuesday in 2012 that the poles move, but we are
sneaking up to it. So the ice melting up north is normal. Who knows, there
was no film crews around 26,000 years ago to record the last time this
happened.

As for Adam Smith and the economy, somebody does have to make a new model,
the glue holding this model is not working.
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I've read a couple theories where scientists have discussed the
possibilities of the poles swapping places (North Pole is now the South
Pole) or that the earth shifts 90 degrees along the axis (the North and
South pole are now along the Equator). Some of this is the findings by the
"Atlantis" crowd. Also remember that the Mayan calendar ends on December
21, 2012.

This could be more exciting than Y2K. I don't have an opinion on this...
doesn't matter because either nothing will happen or we'll be so screwed we
won't know what to do next.

Lee

"Bill Glass" <bondobill1.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "ALEX M." <eng42b.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> It's mostly baloney! Timothy Patterson is partly funded by Exxon
>> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=1022
>>
>> And below is what I found on the internet, including an email from
>> Dr.Tapping----
>>
> It gets even wilder. According to the History Chanel and some web sites
> there is a thing called Precession. This (according to them) happens every
> 26,000 years, and is supposed to happen again in 2012. I have looked up
> Prescession and got a lot of fancy scientific stuff, but what I get from
> it is that the earth moves it's poles about 3 degrees.
>
> One site says GW is actually our getting closer to this Precession, as it
> won't be on a specific Tuesday in 2012 that the poles move, but we are
> sneaking up to it. So the ice melting up north is normal. Who knows, there
> was no film crews around 26,000 years ago to record the last time this
> happened.
>
> As for Adam Smith and the economy, somebody does have to make a new model,
> the glue holding this model is not working.
>
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This is just a 2.5 to 3.2 shift of the nort pole, kinda like moving the
center of a spinning top while it is spinning. If it goes to the left more
ice, if it moves right, less ice.

I forgot about the Myan Calendar thingy. At least I get a birthday that
year. 12/03/12.....
I will be 68 when the ship hits the fan. Probaly by that time I will have a
drool cup, and not remember who I am.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling
"Lee Aanderud" <aanderud.RemoveThis@alltel.net> wrote in message
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> I've read a couple theories where scientists have discussed the
> possibilities of the poles swapping places (North Pole is now the South
> Pole) or that the earth shifts 90 degrees along the axis (the North and
> South pole are now along the Equator). Some of this is the findings by
> the "Atlantis" crowd. Also remember that the Mayan calendar ends on
> December 21, 2012.
>
> This could be more exciting than Y2K. I don't have an opinion on this...
> doesn't matter because either nothing will happen or we'll be so screwed
> we won't know what to do next.
>
> Lee
>
> "Bill Glass" <bondobill1.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:47b23f37$0$15188$607ed4bc@cv.net...
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>> "ALEX M." <eng42b.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:wlvrj.1066$qw4.177@trnddc02...
>>>
>>> It's mostly baloney! Timothy Patterson is partly funded by Exxon
>>> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=1022
>>>
>>> And below is what I found on the internet, including an email from
>>> Dr.Tapping----
>>>
>> It gets even wilder. According to the History Chanel and some web sites
>> there is a thing called Precession. This (according to them) happens
>> every 26,000 years, and is supposed to happen again in 2012. I have
>> looked up Prescession and got a lot of fancy scientific stuff, but what I
>> get from it is that the earth moves it's poles about 3 degrees.
>>
>> One site says GW is actually our getting closer to this Precession, as it
>> won't be on a specific Tuesday in 2012 that the poles move, but we are
>> sneaking up to it. So the ice melting up north is normal. Who knows,
>> there was no film crews around 26,000 years ago to record the last time
>> this happened.
>>
>> As for Adam Smith and the economy, somebody does have to make a new
>> model, the glue holding this model is not working.
>>
>
>
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Ummmmmm... Maybe the no' pole will shift to Iran or Venezeula. Yeah,
dat's da ticket!

JT




Lee Aanderud wrote:

> I've read a couple theories where scientists have discussed the
> possibilities of the poles swapping places (North Pole is now the South
> Pole) or that the earth shifts 90 degrees along the axis (the North and
> South pole are now along the Equator). Some of this is the findings by the
> "Atlantis" crowd. Also remember that the Mayan calendar ends on December
> 21, 2012.
>
> This could be more exciting than Y2K. I don't have an opinion on this...
> doesn't matter because either nothing will happen or we'll be so screwed we
> won't know what to do next.
>
> Lee
>
> "Bill Glass" <bondobill1 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> news:47b23f37$0$15188$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>>"ALEX M." <eng42b RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:wlvrj.1066$qw4.177@trnddc02...
>>
>>>It's mostly baloney! Timothy Patterson is partly funded by Exxon
>>>http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=1022
>>>
>>>And below is what I found on the internet, including an email from
>>>Dr.Tapping----
>>>
>>
>>It gets even wilder. According to the History Chanel and some web sites
>>there is a thing called Precession. This (according to them) happens every
>>26,000 years, and is supposed to happen again in 2012. I have looked up
>>Prescession and got a lot of fancy scientific stuff, but what I get from
>>it is that the earth moves it's poles about 3 degrees.
>>
>>One site says GW is actually our getting closer to this Precession, as it
>>won't be on a specific Tuesday in 2012 that the poles move, but we are
>>sneaking up to it. So the ice melting up north is normal. Who knows, there
>>was no film crews around 26,000 years ago to record the last time this
>>happened.
>>
>>As for Adam Smith and the economy, somebody does have to make a new model,
>>the glue holding this model is not working.
>>
>
>
>
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