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Since: Aug 08, 2007 Posts: 98
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:59 pm
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Beware of high tech running amok
Some features are nutty, unnecessary or maybe both
Frank Aukofer
Automotive News
February 25, 2008 - 12:01 am ET
COMMENTARY
Volvo has a high-tech feature called BLIS.
But it's anything but blissful. It's mostly annoying.
And it's unnecessary, just like many of the other high-tech, high-cost and
mostly useless features being foisted on gullible buyers as manufacturers
think up ways to sell vehicles with faddish technology for technology's
sake.
Among them:
-- Rain-sensing windshield wipers: They usually don't work, and besides,
what's wrong with setting the interval yourself?
-- Auto-dimming mirrors: You can't see anything but headlights at night.
-- Keyless push-button ignition systems: How about inserting a key and
twisting it?
-- Radar cruise control: It slows you so the guy next to you can jump in the
lane in front of you.
-- Air-conditioned and heated seats: They're not needed if you sit on
good-quality cloth instead of trendy leather.
-- Surround-view cameras: What's wrong with looking around?
-- Proximity warning systems: You can't tell whether it's picking up
something in back or near the front fender.
By now everyone has heard about the BMW iDrive, a hopelessly complicated
system to do simple things, and Comand, which got Mercedes-Benz into a lot
of quality trouble. Lexus has a self-parking system that needs about five
times as much parking space as the average driver uses.
Some of the stuff has marginal value, like rear cameras on SUVs that can
keep some rutabaga brain from backing over a child. And Lexus has a face
recognition system that sounds a warning and applies the brakes for the
idiot who is drunk or nods off. Infiniti has a lane departure system that
sounds a chime and gently applies the brakes to bring the car back in line.
There are some extremely worthwhile high-tech inventions, including
stability and traction control, antilock brakes and tire-pressure
monitoring. But some are off-the-charts silly, like BLIS and similar
systems.
This is BLIS?
BLIS stands for "blind spot information system." Cameras are mounted under
the outside mirrors; they pick up cars approaching on both sides from the
rear.
When a car shows up in a supposed blind spot, a light inside on one A-pillar
or the other illuminates to tell the driver something he should already
know.
It's not exclusive to Volvo. Mazda has one, and other manufacturers and
suppliers have or are working on similar devices.
They are costly and pointless. They don't always work as advertised, either,
often providing false warnings.
Virtually all automobiles and trucks these days have large outside mirrors
with broad ranges of adjustments. Anyone can adjust the outside mirrors so
that blind spots do not exist.
All you have to do is adjust the left outside mirror so its right side lines
up with the left side of the inside mirror. And adjust the right mirror so
its left side aligns with the right side of the inside mirror.
I am continually amazed at how many engineers, designers and even some
automotive journalists believe in blind spots. They either don't know or
refuse to learn how to adjust their outside mirrors properly. Or maybe
they've been brainwashed by somebody's marketing department.
In Europe, they've even institutionalized the fallacy by installing those
ridiculous split reduction mirrors, which are supposed to eliminate blind
spots but are mostly confusing and fortunately not legal in the United
States.
I think the blind-spot myth was propagated by generations of driver
education instructors who told students to adjust outside mirrors so they
could see the sides of the car - a "reference point."
The problem is that if you adjust them that way, you get the same picture in
all three mirrors - and blind spots.
Then what?
So, with Volvo's $695 BLIS, a light goes on when a car approaches. What are
you supposed to do then? Guess where it is? Glance over your shoulder? All
of that is distracting, and distractions are the No. 1 cause of accidents.
The Mazda system, called BSM, has a page and a half of small italic type in
the owner's manual with warnings about how the thing might not work, similar
to those prescription drug advertisements on TV that warn of possible
disablement or death if you use the product.
The best part is that it says in boldface type: "Do not rely completely on
the BSM system and be sure to look over your shoulder before changing
lanes."
Better yet, eliminate those expensive, complicated and unnecessary
technology-spawned systems. Reduce the price of the car and spend the money
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:10 pm
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:59:45 -0500, "Ed White"
<cewhite3.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
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>And it's unnecessary, just like many of the other high-tech, high-cost and
>mostly useless features being foisted on gullible buyers as manufacturers
>think up ways to sell vehicles with faddish technology for technology's
>sake.
>
>Among them:
>-- Rain-sensing windshield wipers: They usually don't work, and besides,
>what's wrong with setting the interval yourself?
>-- Auto-dimming mirrors: You can't see anything but headlights at night.
>-- Keyless push-button ignition systems: How about inserting a key and
>twisting it?
>-- Radar cruise control: It slows you so the guy next to you can jump in the
>lane in front of you.
>-- Air-conditioned and heated seats: They're not needed if you sit on
>good-quality cloth instead of trendy leather.
>-- Surround-view cameras: What's wrong with looking around?
>-- Proximity warning systems: You can't tell whether it's picking up
>something in back or near the front fender.
<sarcasm>
Gee, no remote control for the radio? Oh, the humanity!!!
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:59 pm
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In article <13s6ei67a65hvba RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
"Ed White" <cewhite3 RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
> Some features are nutty, unnecessary or maybe both
> -- Rain-sensing windshield wipers: They usually don't work, and besides,
> what's wrong with setting the interval yourself?
Why have at toilet when you can just c*** on the kitchen floor?
> -- Auto-dimming mirrors: You can't see anything but headlights at night.
If that is what happens when you drive at night, perhaps your eyes are
not up to the quality required to safely operate a motor vehicle.
Time to give up the drivers license. You can take a horse and buggy,
after all.
> -- Keyless push-button ignition systems: How about inserting a key and
> twisting it?
I challenge you to find one person in America that would give up
keyless door locks and trade in the clicker for a key. I bet you
cannot find anyone, at least no one who isn't taking lots of meds.
> -- Radar cruise control: It slows you so the guy next to you can jump in the
> lane in front of you.
Oh, so you are the jerk who rides on my tail so close that you can
smell it every time I fart. Quit making funny faces when I pass the
gas and back off a little. Or get radar cruise to do it for you.
> -- Air-conditioned and heated seats: They're not needed if you sit on
> good-quality cloth instead of trendy leather.
Apparently this guy has never been to Atlanta in the summer or
Minneapolis in the winter. Must be nice.
> -- Surround-view cameras: What's wrong with looking around?
So you have have never heard of someone running over their little
kid because they didn't see them? I think everyone would welcome
an extra set of eyes.
> -- Proximity warning systems: You can't tell whether it's picking up
> something in back or near the front fender.
I thought you said that you were looking around? Did you miss
something, didja?
Maybe this guy should change to writing business stories. I hear
that buggy whip factory stocks are hot right now.
-john-
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:00 pm
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Ed White wrote:
> BLIS stands for "blind spot information system." Cameras are mounted under
> the outside mirrors; they pick up cars approaching on both sides from the
> rear.
[ ... ]
> Virtually all automobiles and trucks these days have large outside mirrors
> with broad ranges of adjustments. Anyone can adjust the outside mirrors so
> that blind spots do not exist.
I'm surprised that someone who doesn't post to this newsgroup actually
knows that. In any case, I wonder how expensive the following system
would be:
Using the position of the driver's seat, automatically adjust the
mirrors such that there are no blind spots. Perhaps it could
incorporate the height of the headrest as well to calculate vertical
adjustment. If the driver adjust them inward, automatically revert to
the correct adjustment.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:00 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:23 pm
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On Feb 25, 11:21 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:19 -0600, russo....DeleteThis@grace.speakeasy.net
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> (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
> >I have keyless entry. It's called "not locking my door". Never needs
> >batteries either.
>
> What do you use for your engine immobilizer?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:41 pm
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In article <john-DC9D4A.18590125022008.RemoveThis@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, John A. Weeks III wrote:
> "Ed White" <cewhite3.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> -- Auto-dimming mirrors: You can't see anything but headlights at night.
> If that is what happens when you drive at night, perhaps your eyes are
> not up to the quality required to safely operate a motor vehicle.
> Time to give up the drivers license. You can take a horse and buggy,
> after all.
Huh? I don't use the 'night' setting on my rearview mirror for the same
reason, all the detail is gone. I have excellent night vision and the
loss of detail annoys me.
>> -- Keyless push-button ignition systems: How about inserting a key and
>> twisting it?
> I challenge you to find one person in America that would give up
> keyless door locks and trade in the clicker for a key. I bet you
> cannot find anyone, at least no one who isn't taking lots of meds.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:41 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:13 am
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In article <TaCdndQ6n4aOB17anZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d.DeleteThis@speakeasy.net>,
russotto.DeleteThis@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
> I have keyless entry. It's called "not locking my door". Never needs
> batteries either.
Bad idea. Not only is it illegal in most places, it also invalidates
your insurance if it was relevant to a claim. And think of the
consequences if some neighborhood kids figure this out, take the
car, and end up in a horrible accident. Do you want to carry that
around for the rest of your life.
-john-
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:50 am
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In article <13s6ei67a65hvba RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
"Ed White" <cewhite3 RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
> Beware of high tech running amok
>
> Some features are nutty, unnecessary or maybe both
>
> Frank Aukofer
> Automotive News
> February 25, 2008 - 12:01 am ET
>
> COMMENTARY
>
> Volvo has a high-tech feature called BLIS.
>
> But it's anything but blissful. It's mostly annoying.
>
> And it's unnecessary, just like many of the other high-tech, high-cost and
> mostly useless features being foisted on gullible buyers as manufacturers
> think up ways to sell vehicles with faddish technology for technology's
> sake.
>
> Among them:
> -- Rain-sensing windshield wipers: They usually don't work, and besides,
> what's wrong with setting the interval yourself?
> -- Auto-dimming mirrors: You can't see anything but headlights at night.
> -- Keyless push-button ignition systems: How about inserting a key and
> twisting it?
My car has this feature and I love it! I hate rummaging for my car keys
when I have both hands carrying stuff or when its frigid cold out. Plus
with my Prius' smart key system, there's much less chance of my
accidentally leaving the car locked with the key still in the ignition
because they never leave my pocket.
> -- Radar cruise control: It slows you so the guy next to you can jump in the
> lane in front of you.
> -- Air-conditioned and heated seats: They're not needed if you sit on
> good-quality cloth instead of trendy leather.
> -- Surround-view cameras: What's wrong with looking around?
It adds an additional range of vision. I love my Prius' back up camera
because it allows me to park in tight spots much more easily than
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:53 am
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In article <UAHwj.4969$7d1.3872@news01.roc.ny>,
Arif Khokar <akhokar1234 RemoveThis @wvu.edu> wrote:
> Ed White wrote:
>
> > BLIS stands for "blind spot information system." Cameras are mounted under
> > the outside mirrors; they pick up cars approaching on both sides from the
> > rear.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > Virtually all automobiles and trucks these days have large outside mirrors
> > with broad ranges of adjustments. Anyone can adjust the outside mirrors so
> > that blind spots do not exist.
>
> I'm surprised that someone who doesn't post to this newsgroup actually
> knows that. In any case, I wonder how expensive the following system
> would be:
>
> Using the position of the driver's seat, automatically adjust the
> mirrors such that there are no blind spots. Perhaps it could
> incorporate the height of the headrest as well to calculate vertical
> adjustment. If the driver adjust them inward, automatically revert to
> the correct adjustment.
>
> It shouldn't take much to implement a system like that
And how exactly is a side-view mirror going to help expand the view
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:37 am
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On Feb 25, 7:41 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET....RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Brent P)
wrote:
> In article <john-DC9D4A.18590125022....RemoveThis@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, John A. Weeks III wrote:
>
> > "Ed White" <cewhi....RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> -- Auto-dimming mirrors: You can't see anything but headlights at night..
> > If that is what happens when you drive at night, perhaps your eyes are
> > not up to the quality required to safely operate a motor vehicle.
> > Time to give up the drivers license. You can take a horse and buggy,
> > after all.
>
> Huh? I don't use the 'night' setting on my rearview mirror for the same
> reason, all the detail is gone. I have excellent night vision and the
> loss of detail annoys me.
>
> >> -- Keyless push-button ignition systems: How about inserting a key and
> >> twisting it?
> > I challenge you to find one person in America that would give up
> > keyless door locks and trade in the clicker for a key. I bet you
> > cannot find anyone, at least no one who isn't taking lots of meds.
>
> I've never had keyless entry. I don't really have a desire for it either.
I have one but don't use it. Reach for the keys in my pocket and it
balances out that the key is pointed out. To use the clicker I have
to fumble around to get them turned around in my hand. Faster to just
use the key.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:24 am
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On Feb 25, 1:59 pm, "Ed White" <cewhi... DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
> Beware of high tech running amok
>
> Some features are nutty, unnecessary or maybe both
>
Hmmm...
I like safety features.
Cars today are safer than they were 20 years ago my at least an order
of magnitude.
I want my wife and kids in the safest car possible.
It seems funny to me that we had a thread about traffic deaths
followed by a thread about how frivolous modern safety features are...
I guess I'm not much of a Luddite...
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:03 pm
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In article <nd87s31t86t57sdm7kqcjs012pk08er19o.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:19 -0600, russotto.TakeThisOut@grace.speakeasy.net
>(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
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>>I have keyless entry. It's called "not locking my door". Never needs
>>batteries either.
>
>What do you use for your engine immobilizer?
I have two. One is the old fashioned "ignition key". The second is the
clutch-starter interlock, which will stop a stupid (read: average) car
thief.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:09 pm
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In article <john-AB669C.02131126022008.DeleteThis@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
John A. Weeks III <john.DeleteThis@johnweeks.com> wrote:
>In article <TaCdndQ6n4aOB17anZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d.DeleteThis@speakeasy.net>,
> russotto.DeleteThis@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
>
>> I have keyless entry. It's called "not locking my door". Never needs
>> batteries either.
>
>Bad idea. Not only is it illegal in most places, it also invalidates
>your insurance if it was relevant to a claim.
Wrong on both counts; I've read my policy. The law often forbides leaving
the car running unattended, but I've never heard of a law requiring
the doors to be locked.
>And think of the
>consequences if some neighborhood kids figure this out, take the
>car, and end up in a horrible accident. Do you want to carry that
>around for the rest of your life.
I have keyless ENTRY, not keyless IGNITION.
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