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Since: Jul 12, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:35 pm
Post subject: "Bell the Hybrid"
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Hi,
After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
http://www.regulations.gov
search: NHTSA-2008-0108
My documents are:
NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
table."
Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
out and we will see what happens.
Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
A couple of other fun reads:
http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
"At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
"Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
Also:
http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
"As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
including some background. ..."
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:09 pm
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"Bob & Holly Wilson" <bwilson4use DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
>
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
>
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
>
> When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> table."
>
> Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> out and we will see what happens.
>
> Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
>
> A couple of other fun reads:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
>
> "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
>
> Also:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
>
> "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> including some background. ..."
>
> Bob Wilson
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:23 pm
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Even before seeing your message I had contacted my representative
expressing opposition to HR 5734 as written because it suggested making
vehicles noisier might be mandated. No noise pollution--we have enough.
Thank you for doing so much more. Hopefully all will contact their
representatives expressing opposition to required noise.
Tom
Bob & Holly Wilson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
>
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
>
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
>
> When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> table."
>
> Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> out and we will see what happens.
>
> Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
>
> A couple of other fun reads:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
>
> "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
>
> Also:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
>
> "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> including some background. ..."
>
> Bob Wilson >> Stay informed about: "Bell the Hybrid" |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:27 pm
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Thank you for doing this.
Tomes
"Bob & Holly Wilson" <bwilson4use.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ilgyl9.10g9p411fn7xmN%bwilson4use@hotmail.com...
> Hi,
>
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
>
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
>
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
>
> When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> table."
>
> Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> out and we will see what happens.
>
> Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
>
> A couple of other fun reads:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
>
> "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
>
> Also:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
>
> "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> including some background. ..."
>
> Bob Wilson
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: "Bell the Hybrid" |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:36 am
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On Aug 10, 7:35 pm, bwilson4....DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Bob & Holly Wilson)
wrote:
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
>
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
>
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
>
> When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> table."
>
> Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> out and we will see what happens.
>
> Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
>
> A couple of other fun reads:http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
>
> "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
>
> Also:http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
>
> "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> including some background. ..."
Thanks for the updates, and all your work on this matter!
Just to note, for those interested in contacting their local House
representative, you can find out who your representative is and how to
contact them through:
https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml >> Stay informed about: "Bell the Hybrid" |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:14 am
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Thanks for doing this, Bob.
It was very interesting. It is easier to find your submittals by searching
NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
or simply use http://tinyurl.com/5kh2n3
-Al
"Bob & Holly Wilson" <bwilson4use.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ilgyl9.10g9p411fn7xmN%bwilson4use@hotmail.com...
> Hi,
>
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
>
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
>
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
> >> Stay informed about: "Bell the Hybrid" |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:18 pm
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Has anyone advocating this bill provided any data which correlates
pedestrian accidents involving hybrid vehicles to the total number of
such accidents with conventional cars, in order to prove (or disprove)
that there is not a substantially higher number of such accidents
involving a hybrid running in electric mode?
The unfortunate fact is, pedestrians (especially children) are hit by
cars all the time. But when they get hit by a hybrid, it makes national
news. And instead of realizing that they ran into traffic without
looking, it's the fault of the car. Of course, in modern America,
nothing is ever the fault of the victim. It must be the quiet cars.
I'll be writing my representatives about this, but I'd like to know if a
study is called for, or if any have already been cited in support of
this bill.
Thanks for your work on this.
In article <1ilgyl9.10g9p411fn7xmN%bwilson4use@hotmail.com>, Bob & Holly
Wilson (bwilson4use@hotmail.com) says...
> Hi,
>
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
>
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
>
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
>
> When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> table."
>
> Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> out and we will see what happens.
>
> Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
>
> A couple of other fun reads:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
>
> "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
>
> Also:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
>
> "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> including some background. ..."
>
> Bob Wilson
>
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: "Bell the Hybrid" |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:26 pm
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In article
<59420fcb-b4ac-4b95-912c-d71d507ae87e.DeleteThis@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
"Michelle Vadeboncoeur <mrv.DeleteThis@kluge.net>" <mrv.DeleteThis@kluge.net> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 7:35 pm, bwilson4....DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Bob & Holly Wilson)
> wrote:
> > After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> > makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> > record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
> >
> > http://www.regulations.gov
> > search: NHTSA-2008-0108
> >
> > My documents are:
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
> >
> > When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> > owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> > and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> > and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> > much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> > off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> > table."
> >
> > Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> > mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> > exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> > out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> > out and we will see what happens.
> >
> > Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> > efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> > luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
> >
> > A couple of other fun
> > reads:http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
> >
> > "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> > Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> > "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> > are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
> >
> > Also:http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
> >
> > "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> > some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> > proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> > Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> > September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> > including some background. ..."
>
> Thanks for the updates, and all your work on this matter!
>
> Just to note, for those interested in contacting their local House
> representative, you can find out who your representative is and how to
> contact them through:
> https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml
I once knew someone who worked for the Cincinnati Association of the Blind
where her clients tended to have vision that could be corrected to "legally
blind." She told me that the usual answer to how they got there was that they
drove. I don't think putting whistles on there cars will help other drivers,
but it might alert pedestrians, and deer, of course.
What's the equivalent of CAB around here? They specialized in prescribing
complex lenses that helped clients to use their remaining vision and connecting
the blind population with supportive services.
--
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/assignment.shtml
http://www.TheNextCheney.com http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/08/
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/23/it-goes-well-beyond-the-keating-five/
What to give the vets http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16356.html >> Stay informed about: "Bell the Hybrid" |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:31 pm
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In article <489f833e.DeleteThis@newsgate.x-privat.org>,
"Was Istoben" <entschuldigen.DeleteThis@oopla.com> wrote:
> "Bob & Holly Wilson" <bwilson4use.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1ilgyl9.10g9p411fn7xmN%bwilson4use@hotmail.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> > makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> > record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
> >
> > http://www.regulations.gov
> > search: NHTSA-2008-0108
> >
> > My documents are:
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
> >
> > When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> > owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> > and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> > and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> > much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> > off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> > table."
> >
> > Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> > mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> > exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> > out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> > out and we will see what happens.
> >
> > Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> > efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> > luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
> >
> > A couple of other fun reads:
> > http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
> >
> > "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> > Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> > "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> > are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
> >
> > Also:
> > http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
> >
> > "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> > some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> > proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> > Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> > September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> > including some background. ..."
> >
> > Bob Wilson
> >
> Try to get them to bell the blind instead.
That would be better than giving one a mailbox across the street on a blind
curve. He's gone now. But they should have provided a mirror.
--
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/assignment.shtml
http://www.TheNextCheney.com http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/08/
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/23/it-goes-well-beyond-the-keating-five/
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:53 pm
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Mr. G <mrg.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> Has anyone advocating this bill provided any data which correlates
> pedestrian accidents involving hybrid vehicles to the total number of
> such accidents with conventional cars, in order to prove (or disprove)
> that there is not a substantially higher number of such accidents
> involving a hybrid running in electric mode?
I included Dr. Hogan's traffic analysis in my posting. It is very
through and today he gave me some more good pointers to use.
>
> The unfortunate fact is, pedestrians (especially children) are hit by
> cars all the time. But when they get hit by a hybrid, it makes national
> news. And instead of realizing that they ran into traffic without
> looking, it's the fault of the car. Of course, in modern America,
> nothing is ever the fault of the victim. It must be the quiet cars.
There is a problem with back-over accidents and I think I've come up
with a solution. Whether the blind are willing to use it, well it is
their suicide.
>
> I'll be writing my representatives about this, but I'd like to know if a
> study is called for, or if any have already been cited in support of
> this bill.
No study as much as some Request For Information to get requirements and
some Request For Quotes to get prototype systems for testing.
>
> Thanks for your work on this.
Someone had to do it and I drew the short straw.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:09 pm
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Jean Smith wrote:
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> I once knew someone who worked for the Cincinnati Association of the Blind
> where her clients tended to have vision that could be corrected to "legally
> blind." She told me that the usual answer to how they got there was that they
> drove.
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I had a... relative (my grandmother's 1st cousin. I knew him well) who
suffered from macular degeneration. His wife never learned to drive. For
about a year, they drove as a team, with her telling him what to do and
when. The theory didn't work very well in practice. It was almost like
"Hear no Evil, See no Evil".
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:08 am
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"Ron Hammon" <rghammon DeleteThis @bellsouth.nyet> wrote in message
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> Jean Smith wrote:
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>> I once knew someone who worked for the Cincinnati Association of the
>> Blind
>> where her clients tended to have vision that could be corrected to
>> "legally
>> blind." She told me that the usual answer to how they got there was that
>> they
>> drove.
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> I had a... relative (my grandmother's 1st cousin. I knew him well) who
> suffered from macular degeneration. His wife never learned to drive. For
> about a year, they drove as a team, with her telling him what to do and
> when. The theory didn't work very well in practice. It was almost like
> "Hear no Evil, See no Evil".
>
> Ron
My vision is just fine. Still, she tells me what to do and when. Very
distracting, but I keep my mouth shut because she has the ..... >> Stay informed about: "Bell the Hybrid" |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:09 am
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"Bob & Holly Wilson" <bwilson4use.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
>
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
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> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
>
> When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> table."
>
> Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> out and we will see what happens.
>
> Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
>
> A couple of other fun reads:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
>
> "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
>
> Also:
> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
>
> "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> including some background. ..."
>
> Bob Wilson
Not sure what you're suggesting there but it makes sense to me to use the
existing reversing beeper inside the car and place it in the rear hatch lid
to at least give some audible warning when reversing to pedestrians. As for
forward motion I'd hate to think that a constant beep going forwards is the
solution.
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Lu R <whome.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Not sure what you're suggesting there but it makes sense to me to use the
> existing reversing beeper inside the car and place it in the rear hatch lid
> to at least give some audible warning when reversing to pedestrians.
Actually to 'bleep' the existing horn.
> ... As for
> forward motion I'd hate to think that a constant beep going forwards is the
> solution.
That is why adding a noise source makes no sense.
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