Bad experience with Erin Mills Acura salesperson

On 8/18/04 10:53 PM, in article
jvVUc.1806643$Ar.1438334@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com, "nguyenn"
wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > I just bought an Acura 1.7 EL Premium 2002 at Erin Mills Acura, Mississauga,
 > Ontario, Canada. The salesperson, whose name is Stefano Dal Bello, was a
 > bastard. I went for a test drive for the car and somehow was pressured by
 > him into signing a deposit of 1000 CAD. I heard from another dealer that
 > Acura policy does not allow such behavior to customers, enforcing customers
 > into buying something by trapping them into paying some deposit. I bought
 > it at 17,000 CAD with the milage of 73,343 km. The tires are so worn out as
 > said by my own mechanic, but because that bastard somehow pressured me into
 > signing the contract already, I can not ask them to replace the tires. The
 > dealer said that the tires was ok and passed safety.
 >
 > K.
 >
 >

Chalk it up to experience, tell all your friends, and never buy anything
from them again.

In a capitalistic society, the only vote that counts is when you vote with
your pocketbook.
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We really should let them know that you've told us all . . . so I forwarded
your story to them.

"nguyenn" wrote in message

 > Hi,
 >
 > I just bought an Acura 1.7 EL Premium 2002 at Erin Mills Acura,
Mississauga,
 > Ontario, Canada. The salesperson, whose name is Stefano Dal Bello, was a
 > bastard. I went for a test drive for the car and somehow was pressured
by
 > him into signing a deposit of 1000 CAD. I heard from another dealer that
 > Acura policy does not allow such behavior to customers, enforcing
customers
 > into buying something by trapping them into paying some deposit. I bought
 > it at 17,000 CAD with the milage of 73,343 km. The tires are so worn out
as
 > said by my own mechanic, but because that bastard somehow pressured me
into
 > signing the contract already, I can not ask them to replace the tires.
The
 > dealer said that the tires was ok and passed safety.
 >
 > K.
 >
 >
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I signed the contract under some pressure. After I took a test drive, I
suggested 17000 CAD for the car. But then I told the salesperson that I
would prefer to delay my decision until the next day and it was around 8:30-
9:00 PM. He kept asking why I had to delay and no matter what reasons I
said he disagreed and insisted that I was wrong. He was afraid I could
change my mind if I could find a better deal from another dealer, so after
trying to persuade me to pay 17,500 CAD for the car, he pushed me to deposit
1000 CAD with Visa card saying that I did offer 17,000 CAD on the car. And
after that he somehow told me into signing a contract right after that. You
know the tactics those salesperson use for people who could not leave the
table once the negotiation starts like me.

N.

"Curtis Newton" wrote in message


 > wrote:
 >
  > >Hi,
  > >
  > >I just bought an Acura 1.7 EL Premium 2002 at Erin Mills Acura,
Mississauga,
  > >Ontario, Canada. The salesperson, whose name is Stefano Dal Bello, was
a
  > >bastard. I went for a test drive for the car and somehow was pressured
by
  > >him into signing a deposit of 1000 CAD. I heard from another dealer that
  > >Acura policy does not allow such behavior to customers, enforcing
customers
  > >into buying something by trapping them into paying some deposit. I
bought
  > >it at 17,000 CAD with the milage of 73,343 km. The tires are so worn out
as
  > >said by my own mechanic, but because that bastard somehow pressured me
into
  > >signing the contract already, I can not ask them to replace the tires.
The
  > >dealer said that the tires was ok and passed safety.
  > >
  > >K.
  > >
 >
 >
 > Who actually signed the contract?? Did he sign it for you or did you
 > sign it??
 >
 > If he had a gun to your head forcing you to sign, you should have
 > called the police!!!!
 >
 >
 > -
 > --

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:29:24 GMT, "nguyenn"
waived the right to be silent and professed:

 >I signed the contract under some pressure. After I took a test drive, I
 >suggested 17000 CAD for the car. But then I told the salesperson that I
 >would prefer to delay my decision until the next day and it was around 8:30-
 >9:00 PM. He kept asking why I had to delay and no matter what reasons I
 >said he disagreed and insisted that I was wrong. He was afraid I could
 >change my mind if I could find a better deal from another dealer, so after
 >trying to persuade me to pay 17,500 CAD for the car, he pushed me to deposit
 >1000 CAD with Visa card saying that I did offer 17,000 CAD on the car. And
 >after that he somehow told me into signing a contract right after that. You
 >know the tactics those salesperson use for people who could not leave the
 >table once the negotiation starts like me.
 >
 >N.
 >
It's a game. These guys are very skilled at it. But you always have
the bigger hand. You can always walk away. And deposit or not, you can
still back out of the deal.

You have been suckered.

--
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
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How could I back out after signing the deposit and the contract to buy the
car in just a few hours that night? I would like to know so if it happens
to anybody I can help them.

Thanks.

N.


"Bruno" wrote in message


 > waived the right to be silent and professed:
 >
  > >I signed the contract under some pressure. After I took a test drive, I
  > >suggested 17000 CAD for the car. But then I told the salesperson that I
  > >would prefer to delay my decision until the next day and it was around
8:30-
  > >9:00 PM. He kept asking why I had to delay and no matter what reasons I
  > >said he disagreed and insisted that I was wrong. He was afraid I could
  > >change my mind if I could find a better deal from another dealer, so
after
  > >trying to persuade me to pay 17,500 CAD for the car, he pushed me to
deposit
  > >1000 CAD with Visa card saying that I did offer 17,000 CAD on the car.
And
  > >after that he somehow told me into signing a contract right after that.
You
  > >know the tactics those salesperson use for people who could not leave the
  > >table once the negotiation starts like me.
  > >
  > >N.
  > >
 > It's a game. These guys are very skilled at it. But you always have
 > the bigger hand. You can always walk away. And deposit or not, you can
 > still back out of the deal.
 >
 > You have been suckered.
 >
 > --
 > Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
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I had a similar experience a long time ago with a Ford dealer. I learned my
lesson and I just walk out when a salesperson behaves like that.

"nguyenn" wrote in message

> How could I back out after signing the deposit and the contract to buy the
> car in just a few hours that night? I would like to know so if it
happens
> to anybody I can help them.
>
> Thanks.
>
> N.
>
>
> "Bruno" wrote in message
>
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:29:24 GMT, "nguyenn"
> > waived the right to be silent and professed:
> >
> > >I signed the contract under some pressure. After I took a test drive,
I
> > >suggested 17000 CAD for the car. But then I told the salesperson that
I
> > >would prefer to delay my decision until the next day and it was around
> 8:30-
> > >9:00 PM. He kept asking why I had to delay and no matter what reasons
I
> > >said he disagreed and insisted that I was wrong. He was afraid I could
> > >change my mind if I could find a better deal from another dealer, so
> after
> > >trying to persuade me to pay 17,500 CAD for the car, he pushed me to
> deposit
> > >1000 CAD with Visa card saying that I did offer 17,000 CAD on the car.
> And
> > >after that he somehow told me into signing a contract right after that.
> You
> > >know the tactics those salesperson use for people who could not leave
the
> > >table once the negotiation starts like me.
> > >
> > >N.
> > >
> > It's a game. These guys are very skilled at it. But you always have
> > the bigger hand. You can always walk away. And deposit or not, you can
> > still back out of the deal.
> >
> > You have been suckered.
> >
> > --
> > Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
>
>
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Call Visa reverse the charge. If they take you to court, all they can sue
for is what they lose if they cannot sell that car - which is really only an
issue on high end special order vehicles. Consumer and Corporate Affairs
Canada helped me get out of a deal one time and although the dealer had
their lawyer send me a stern letter, they never followed through. In my
case, I made a deal on Saturday and a new promotion came out on Monday -
with posters up at the dealership at 9am Mon. and yet they wouldn't extend
it to me so I walked. The dealer in the next town covered my deposit and
gave me the promo!

MZ
"nguyenn" wrote in message

> How could I back out after signing the deposit and the contract to buy the
> car in just a few hours that night? I would like to know so if it
happens
> to anybody I can help them.
>
> Thanks.
>
> N.
>
>
> "Bruno" wrote in message
>
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:29:24 GMT, "nguyenn"
> > waived the right to be silent and professed:
> >
> > >I signed the contract under some pressure. After I took a test drive,
I
> > >suggested 17000 CAD for the car. But then I told the salesperson that
I
> > >would prefer to delay my decision until the next day and it was around
> 8:30-
> > >9:00 PM. He kept asking why I had to delay and no matter what reasons
I
> > >said he disagreed and insisted that I was wrong. He was afraid I could
> > >change my mind if I could find a better deal from another dealer, so
> after
> > >trying to persuade me to pay 17,500 CAD for the car, he pushed me to
> deposit
> > >1000 CAD with Visa card saying that I did offer 17,000 CAD on the car.
> And
> > >after that he somehow told me into signing a contract right after that.
> You
> > >know the tactics those salesperson use for people who could not leave
the
> > >table once the negotiation starts like me.
> > >
> > >N.
> > >
> > It's a game. These guys are very skilled at it. But you always have
> > the bigger hand. You can always walk away. And deposit or not, you can
> > still back out of the deal.
> >
> > You have been suckered.
> >
> > --
> > Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
>
>
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I think it is too late for me. I think I actually had the chance to reverse
the order or negotiate for the change of tires but I was so tired of arguing
with them that I decided to sign the contract and pick up the car. Although
the salesperson was able to talked me into signing a contract on the day I
test drived the car, on the day I picked up the car I was asked to sign
again the contract. I asked them why I had to sign again. One of the guys
raised the voice 'Just sign it and get the car!'. I was so shy to stand up
and leave. Later I regret I did not, or at least did not call my mechanic
about the fact that they asked me to resign the contract. If they asked me
to resign the contract, does it mean the contract I signed before was not
legal? I noticed later that the previous contract I signed had no signature
of the salesman, only signature of the sales manager. One thing the name of
the manager is not clear and different from the latter. The acceptor
registration no. is also different. I guess they just fooled me in the first
contract. If I really fought hard then they would have returned me the
deposit. Another thing I was so tired and lack of confident of arguing (I
did call the manager, whose name is Ramil, and asked for cancelation with a
return of my deposit. He said that I could not get the deposit) that I did
not ask for splitting the cost of tires replacement. If I did I think I
could get it. Also, when I asked the salesperson about the maintenance
record of the car, he said that he could not because it had the name of the
previous owner of the car! What a lie! I called another dealer, Acura 2000,
who sold the same car with less milage, only 55K instead of 73K. He told me
that everything is available for his car, including maintenance record.

Now as it is too late, I just want to remind people of Erin Mills Acura. I
wish anyone who are thinking of buying an Acura at Erin Mills Acura will
read this. What a bunch of bastards there!

N.





"MZ" wrote in message

> Call Visa reverse the charge. If they take you to court, all they can sue
> for is what they lose if they cannot sell that car - which is really only
an
> issue on high end special order vehicles. Consumer and Corporate Affairs
> Canada helped me get out of a deal one time and although the dealer had
> their lawyer send me a stern letter, they never followed through. In my
> case, I made a deal on Saturday and a new promotion came out on Monday -
> with posters up at the dealership at 9am Mon. and yet they wouldn't extend
> it to me so I walked. The dealer in the next town covered my deposit and
> gave me the promo!
>
> MZ
> "nguyenn" wrote in message
>
> > How could I back out after signing the deposit and the contract to buy
the
> > car in just a few hours that night? I would like to know so if it
> happens
> > to anybody I can help them.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > N.
> >
> >
> > "Bruno" wrote in message
> >
> > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:29:24 GMT, "nguyenn"
> > > waived the right to be silent and professed:
> > >
> > > >I signed the contract under some pressure. After I took a test
drive,
> I
> > > >suggested 17000 CAD for the car. But then I told the salesperson
that
> I
> > > >would prefer to delay my decision until the next day and it was
around
> > 8:30-
> > > >9:00 PM. He kept asking why I had to delay and no matter what
reasons
> I
> > > >said he disagreed and insisted that I was wrong. He was afraid I
could
> > > >change my mind if I could find a better deal from another dealer, so
> > after
> > > >trying to persuade me to pay 17,500 CAD for the car, he pushed me to
> > deposit
> > > >1000 CAD with Visa card saying that I did offer 17,000 CAD on the
car.
> > And
> > > >after that he somehow told me into signing a contract right after
that.
> > You
> > > >know the tactics those salesperson use for people who could not leave
> the
> > > >table once the negotiation starts like me.
> > > >
> > > >N.
> > > >
> > > It's a game. These guys are very skilled at it. But you always have
> > > the bigger hand. You can always walk away. And deposit or not, you can
> > > still back out of the deal.
> > >
> > > You have been suckered.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
> >
> >
>
>
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By the way, I will repost all the discussion here every month to remind
people of those bastards until my regret dies down.


"nguyenn" wrote in message

> I think it is too late for me. I think I actually had the chance to
reverse
> the order or negotiate for the change of tires but I was so tired of
arguing
> with them that I decided to sign the contract and pick up the car.
Although
> the salesperson was able to talked me into signing a contract on the day I
> test drived the car, on the day I picked up the car I was asked to sign
> again the contract. I asked them why I had to sign again. One of the guys
> raised the voice 'Just sign it and get the car!'. I was so shy to stand up
> and leave. Later I regret I did not, or at least did not call my mechanic
> about the fact that they asked me to resign the contract. If they asked me
> to resign the contract, does it mean the contract I signed before was not
> legal? I noticed later that the previous contract I signed had no
signature
> of the salesman, only signature of the sales manager. One thing the name
of
> the manager is not clear and different from the latter. The acceptor
> registration no. is also different. I guess they just fooled me in the
first
> contract. If I really fought hard then they would have returned me the
> deposit. Another thing I was so tired and lack of confident of arguing (I
> did call the manager, whose name is Ramil, and asked for cancelation with
a
> return of my deposit. He said that I could not get the deposit) that I did
> not ask for splitting the cost of tires replacement. If I did I think I
> could get it. Also, when I asked the salesperson about the maintenance
> record of the car, he said that he could not because it had the name of
the
> previous owner of the car! What a lie! I called another dealer, Acura
2000,
> who sold the same car with less milage, only 55K instead of 73K. He told
me
> that everything is available for his car, including maintenance record.
>
> Now as it is too late, I just want to remind people of Erin Mills Acura. I
> wish anyone who are thinking of buying an Acura at Erin Mills Acura will
> read this. What a bunch of bastards there!
>
> N.
>
>
>
>
>
> "MZ" wrote in message
>
> > Call Visa reverse the charge. If they take you to court, all they can
sue
> > for is what they lose if they cannot sell that car - which is really
only
> an
> > issue on high end special order vehicles. Consumer and Corporate
Affairs
> > Canada helped me get out of a deal one time and although the dealer had
> > their lawyer send me a stern letter, they never followed through. In my
> > case, I made a deal on Saturday and a new promotion came out on Monday -
> > with posters up at the dealership at 9am Mon. and yet they wouldn't
extend
> > it to me so I walked. The dealer in the next town covered my deposit
and
> > gave me the promo!
> >
> > MZ
> > "nguyenn" wrote in message
> >
> > > How could I back out after signing the deposit and the contract to buy
> the
> > > car in just a few hours that night? I would like to know so if it
> > happens
> > > to anybody I can help them.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > N.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Bruno" wrote in message
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:29:24 GMT, "nguyenn"

> > > > waived the right to be silent and professed:
> > > >
> > > > >I signed the contract under some pressure. After I took a test
> drive,
> > I
> > > > >suggested 17000 CAD for the car. But then I told the salesperson
> that
> > I
> > > > >would prefer to delay my decision until the next day and it was
> around
> > > 8:30-
> > > > >9:00 PM. He kept asking why I had to delay and no matter what
> reasons
> > I
> > > > >said he disagreed and insisted that I was wrong. He was afraid I
> could
> > > > >change my mind if I could find a better deal from another dealer,
so
> > > after
> > > > >trying to persuade me to pay 17,500 CAD for the car, he pushed me
to
> > > deposit
> > > > >1000 CAD with Visa card saying that I did offer 17,000 CAD on the
> car.
> > > And
> > > > >after that he somehow told me into signing a contract right after
> that.
> > > You
> > > > >know the tactics those salesperson use for people who could not
leave
> > the
> > > > >table once the negotiation starts like me.
> > > > >
> > > > >N.
> > > > >
> > > > It's a game. These guys are very skilled at it. But you always have
> > > > the bigger hand. You can always walk away. And deposit or not, you
can
> > > > still back out of the deal.
> > > >
> > > > You have been suckered.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:07:11 GMT, "nguyenn"
waived the right to be silent and professed:

>By the way, I will repost all the discussion here every month to remind
>people of those bastards until my regret dies down.
>
Please don't.
--
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
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I had a simliar experience with a GM dealership 3 years ago. Unfortunately
you *can* be lied to and pressured into signing a contract and have
absolutely
no recourse except to sue. If you don't sue, you are just wasting your time
and will accomplish nothing.

--


Rob

"Ghislain" wrote in message

>I had a similar experience a long time ago with a Ford dealer. I learned my
> lesson and I just walk out when a salesperson behaves like that.
>
> "nguyenn" wrote in message
>
>> How could I back out after signing the deposit and the contract to buy
>> the
>> car in just a few hours that night? I would like to know so if it
> happens
>> to anybody I can help them.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>> "Bruno" wrote in message
>>
>> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:29:24 GMT, "nguyenn"
>> > waived the right to be silent and professed:
>> >
>> > >I signed the contract under some pressure. After I took a test
>> > >drive,
> I
>> > >suggested 17000 CAD for the car. But then I told the salesperson that
> I
>> > >would prefer to delay my decision until the next day and it was around
>> 8:30-
>> > >9:00 PM. He kept asking why I had to delay and no matter what reasons
> I
>> > >said he disagreed and insisted that I was wrong. He was afraid I
>> > >could
>> > >change my mind if I could find a better deal from another dealer, so
>> after
>> > >trying to persuade me to pay 17,500 CAD for the car, he pushed me to
>> deposit
>> > >1000 CAD with Visa card saying that I did offer 17,000 CAD on the car.
>> And
>> > >after that he somehow told me into signing a contract right after
>> > >that.
>> You
>> > >know the tactics those salesperson use for people who could not leave
> the
>> > >table once the negotiation starts like me.
>> > >
>> > >N.
>> > >
>> > It's a game. These guys are very skilled at it. But you always have
>> > the bigger hand. You can always walk away. And deposit or not, you can
>> > still back out of the deal.
>> >
>> > You have been suckered.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
>>
>>
>
>
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I'm not sure about the laws in Canada when buying a new car, but at least in
the Chicago area, you have three days to change your mind and bring the car
back, no questions asked. You will receive all your deposits back & if you
traded in a car, they have to return it to you as well.

"Curtis Newton" wrote in message


 > wrote:
 >
  >>Hi,
  >>
  >>I just bought an Acura 1.7 EL Premium 2002 at Erin Mills Acura,
  >>Mississauga,
  >>Ontario, Canada. The salesperson, whose name is Stefano Dal Bello, was a
  >>bastard. I went for a test drive for the car and somehow was pressured
  >>by
  >>him into signing a deposit of 1000 CAD. I heard from another dealer that
  >>Acura policy does not allow such behavior to customers, enforcing
  >>customers
  >>into buying something by trapping them into paying some deposit. I bought
  >>it at 17,000 CAD with the milage of 73,343 km. The tires are so worn out
  >>as
  >>said by my own mechanic, but because that bastard somehow pressured me
  >>into
  >>signing the contract already, I can not ask them to replace the tires.
  >>The
  >>dealer said that the tires was ok and passed safety.
  >>
  >>K.
  >>
 >
 >
 > Who actually signed the contract?? Did he sign it for you or did you
 > sign it??
 >
 > If he had a gun to your head forcing you to sign, you should have
 > called the police!!!!
 >
 >
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 >at least in the Chicago area, you have three days to change your mind and
bring the car back, no questions asked. You will receive all your deposits
back & if you traded in a car, they have to return it to you as well.<

That is actually a US federal law. You have a three-day right of recission on
any commercial transaction for which a sales contract must be exectued.
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