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Since: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 79
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(Msg. 46) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:28 am
Post subject: Re: Advice to Drivers of Small Pointless Japanese Cars [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: rec>autos>driving, others (more info?)
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"Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qal064lph2819siqdpkik6tdu30hn6aflb@4ax.com...
> In message <kmP7k.5223$pe5.44@fe115.usenetserver.com>, "Ulysses"
> <eatmyspam.RemoveThis@spamola.com/> wrote:
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> >This is because they want to *win.* Never mind that there are 27 billion
> >cars in front of them which puts them in 27 billion and 1th place. This
is
> >just like the people who speed up to get to the red light--the one who
gets
> >there first wins. They use more gas, put more wear on the car, and
probably
> >have a lot more incidents and pay more for insurance so I'm not sure what
> >they think they are winning.
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> What you just described is what we call a "Sloth Coaster" - someone
> who accelerates ever-so-gently away from a stoplight that has just
> turned green, and will take their foot off the gas to coast as much as
> possible if they believe that they will have to stop at the next
> intersection. They justify this behavior by claiming that they are
> "saving wear and tear" on their vehicles. Of course, they never bother
> to try and quantify *how much* they are actually saving; if they did,
> they'd realize that having to perform one less brake job over the
> entire life of the car doesn't even come close to making up for all
> the time they waste - both their own time and (especially) the time of
> every driver that is stuck behind them.
Well, according to your definition I *may* be a Sloth Coaster. As for
brakes, it puts a lot more wear on the brakes to make a hard stop. Us
sloths don't do many brake jobs because we don't use them very much. My old
Toyota pickup with the manual transmission went 150,000 miles before it
needed brakes. It takes more gas to accelerate quickly than moderately. I
do not speed up so slowly as to impede anyone else but I have to pay for my
own gas so I try not to waste it. If it is at all possible I will make
every effort to allow a Jackrabbit to pass me or situate myself in the lanes
so that Jackrabbit can get past me easily. If I am on a single-lane country
road where no safe passing is possible I will go the speed limit if someone
with an axiety problem is behind me. On one particular stretch I have had
people pass me countless times only to end up right behind them (or is some
cases ahead of them) at the stop light several miles down the road. I have
no doubt that I used less fuel to get there. I don't know where you live in
SoCal but at least *some* towns have the lights timed so that if you
accelerate gradually and drive the posted limit you will make the lights.
If I am driving on public roads I consider my car to be transportation, not
a sport. As for getting there 2 minutes sooner, so what? Unless you are
late for work or an appointment who cares? I see many people risking their
lives and the lives of those around them because they want to get home 2
minutes sooner. What for? Their favorite TV show probably doesn't even
start for over an hour after they get home. The beer isn't going to get
warm in the refrigerator.
Another thing that doesn't ever seem to get mentioned is that by repeatedly
changing lanes on the freeway and cutting in front of other cars people are
actually slowing down traffic. Every time someone cuts in front of someone
else that person has to either take their foot off the gas or apply the
brakes. Gradually this becomes what we call a "traffic jam." The irony is
that the Jackrabbit that is in such a big hurry was slowed down and is stuck
in a jam because of others just like him.
I like my old Explorer. It has 210,000 miles on it. I expect to get
another 200,000 out of it.
>
> Sloth Coasters are all smug and sanctimonious because they usually
> coast up to a light just after it has turned red. "You see?" they crow
> to anyone within earshot. "Good thing I coasted because I wouldn't
> have made the light anyway!" What these guys fail to realize, of
> course, is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. By driving so slowly,
This is a conradiction--how could they be sanctimonious if it didn't work
for them?
>
> The other bogus claim you hear a lot is "the guys who don't Sloth
> Coast never get where they're going any faster." Well, that's complete
> bullshit. I've told the story in r.a.d of how I caught up to my Sloth
> Coasting co-worker and beat him to the office by several minutes,
> primarily because I made it through at least one traffic light that he
> did not. There have been countless instances where I have passed some
> Sloth and made it through a "stale" green light, while the Sloth gets
> caught by the red. I get there faster often enough to make it well
> worth the effort to try.
This is what I was talking about. So they got there a couple of minutes
sooner. For what? They simply want to "win." >> Stay informed about: Advice to Explorer Drivers |
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Since: Oct 24, 2007 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:31 pm
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Since: Jan 10, 2008 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:59 am
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On Jun 26, 8:37 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In message
> <a652f266-d344-4b88-8d9c-73e526d26....RemoveThis@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
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> XOZ <garoadwarrio....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >The problem is most
> >pronounced IMO in areas <> with a shitload of two lane roads with few or no areas to
> >pass.
>
> You just described Tucson to a 'T'.
http://tinyurl.com/5784kg
Sounds like you might need a vehicle with a little more pep than a
'Vette.
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Since: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:38 am
Post subject: Re: Advice to the Humor-Impaired [ was: Re: Advice to Drivers of [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: rec>autos>driving, others (more info?)
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Since: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:15 am
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Scott in SoCal wrote:
> I arrived at the office earlier AND probably
> used less fuel.
Did you check your assumptions? If not, how will you ever know?
>>> Sloth Coasters are all smug and sanctimonious because they usually
>>> coast up to a light just after it has turned red.
You are complaining about those who aren't doing it right. You have yet
to show that it can't be done with great efficiency in regard to time as
well as fuel by those with better judgment.
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Since: May 08, 2008 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:51 am
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On 2008-06-27, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> and goes red. Cars that drive at the normal speed of traffic will get
> to the intersection in time to trip the sensor and hold the light
> green for a little while longer.
This is why the sloths that I pass to make a green will never
understand. Because I make the green light it stays green longer and
much of the time they get a benefit from it.
Sloth drivers have no understanding how traffic lights function. To them
a red signal is an act of god or something they have no control over so
they just go slow in case a red light comes... this is self-fulfilling.
The thing is, these sloths are often the same people who make a
dangerous pass when I am bicycling so they can wait at red signal
slightly longer than they would have if they just eased off the pedal
and stayed behind me. Then they accelerate so slower than I typically do
on a bicycle to boot.
Another thing about drivers who don't understand how traffic lights
work. When I am bicycling I have to try to get them to pull up over the
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Since: Jun 27, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:56 pm
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i suggest videotaping the sequence, wherein the license plate and drivers face are
recognisable. then post on rubetube
ime, the blocking azzhoe republicans aren't necessarily driving japanese econoboxes.
they drive any make. >> Stay informed about: Advice to Explorer Drivers |
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Since: Jun 27, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:55 pm
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Scott in SoCal wrote:
> That's when you say CHECKMATE, SLOTH!
I am uncomfortable and feel unsafe around people that view routine
driving as a game or a metaphor for warfare.
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Since: Jan 10, 2008 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 54) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:07 pm
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On Jun 27, 9:49 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> In message
> <b63a86ed-10c5-437c-848d-575fa6ab3... RemoveThis @q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Michael Angelo Ravera <marav... RemoveThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
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> >The goal should be the first car through a GREEN light at maximum safe
> >speed. This isn't the same thing as being the first car in queue at a
> >red light. In fact, it may be quite different. If you are first car in
> >queue at a red light, you have failed your task miserably.
>
> Ever play chess, Michael? Ever win the game in just one move?
>
> Usually you have to position your pieces properly before you can win.
> When one is caught amongst a Phalanx of Sloth, managing to be first in
> line at a red light is a definite WIN
Your standard of "winning" seems somewhat low... not to mention
exceedingly variable.
You arrive first at a red light = "winner". "Sloth coaster" arrives
first ("all smug and sanctimonious", IIRC) = "loser".
> You see, once that light turns
> green, there are no more Sloths in front of you
You seem to imply that arriving first at a red light causes traffic to
the front to vanish. No traffic pulling out from anywhere to your
front, no traffic turning R or L from the cross streets.
I have just got to visit your planet someday. Well, maybe a flyover
would do.
> to impede your
> progress, and you can finally start making it through some green
> lights.
> That's when you say CHECKMATE, SLOTH!
Yeah, I played chess with guys like you. One second it's "checkmate",
and the next it's "I didn't see your (fianchettoed) bishop, can I take
that back?"
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Since: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 55) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:59 pm
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Since: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 56) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:01 pm
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Since: Jan 30, 2006 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 57) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:37 pm
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In article <6clk15F3h049vU1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
Laurence Sheldon <lfsheldon RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>Scott in SoCal wrote:
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>> That's when you say CHECKMATE, SLOTH!
>
>I am uncomfortable and feel unsafe around people that view routine
>driving as a game or a metaphor for warfare.
Then stay home, because you're obviously too delicate for the real
world.
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Since: Oct 12, 2006 Posts: 251
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(Msg. 58) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:45 am
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Jack wrote:
> When I activate my turn signal in order to change lanes, it is an
> announcement, not merely of my intention--and it is never a request for
> permission--but of an event that WILL take place very shortly. When you
> speed up in an effort to block my lane change, be advised I do not
> intimidate easily. You will be required to follow through on your
> pretense and trade paint, at least, if you wish to change my mind. Do I
> make myself clear?
Sounds like you have an attitude problem, never mind requiring driving
lessons.
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Since: Aug 11, 2004 Posts: 98
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(Msg. 59) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:49 pm
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<<<...the "crazed" (aka pcp, aka drugdealer, aka republican...)>>>
How do you know they're crazed pcp drugdealer republicans? Maybe they're
just regular republicans. Or do you mean all republicans are crazed pcp
drugdealers? Or all crazed pcp drugdealers are republicans? >> Stay informed about: Advice to Explorer Drivers |
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Since: Aug 02, 2003 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 60) Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:53 am
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Scott in SoCal wrote:
> So let's see a video of you actually DOING it.
If we could put both on one video tape, over the same route at the same
time in the same traffic stream, then we might learn something.
Jack >> Stay informed about: Advice to Explorer Drivers |
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