what is ASC ?

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:32:34 +0200, "Alex P" <ap.TakeThisOut@ap.ap> wrote:

 >I tend to disagree.

Fair enough. You're allowed to.

 >Not all drivers are as competent as you are, nor they need to be.
 >ABS and ASC can be of great help in the wet or snow.

I wasn't suggesting you need to be a track legend or anything. Only basic
competency and a basic understanding of how a car works and basic
understanding of the movement of masses etc. is all. Sadly not all of that
is taught these days, but it should be IMO.
 >
 >I had my ASC active once only....I had to break rather hard on the motorway
 >shooting out of off camber corner - there was an accident ahead and big pile
 >of
 >standing cars. I was prepared for rear end to snap but it was really like a
 >walk in
 >the park....car was very very neutral.

In 10 years of driving an ABS equipped car I've only managed to
(unexpectedly) activate the system once as well. But, I was asking for it
because the car had at the time very worn out and very very hard Michelin
TRX tyres on it which were so far past their use-by it was ridiculous and I
got caught in an unexpected shower at the end of summer - first rain of
winter when the roads are slippier than goose shit on linolium

A normal responsible motorist would not have been driving on those tyres on
that day, so this doesn't really count in my book

This is my experience and it in no way justifies to me the cost (in both
weight & money) of all the gadgetry being stuffed into cars these days.
Hence my claim that these systems exist primarily to fatten the sales
brochures rather than provide any real world benefit to a driver in the
real world today.

 >Off course, for aces like
 >yourself
 >there is a button to switch it all OFF

I'm not an ace Alex. I do consider myself competent based upon my extremely
high ratio of speeding fines to at fault accidents, however it is nice of
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:22:49 +0200, "J.G."
<australopitek2003__________ DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

 >yea but the ugly yellow light hurts my eyes

hehe. A little blob of blue-tac will fix that for you - and is easily
removeable again when you sell the car too <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <6rsgg0tlmpu26ghvpj58c3g49tprtqllou.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
DRP535 <drp535.nospam.TakeThisOut@softhome.net> wrote:
 > LSD's are nice but I don't classify a 100% mechanical solution to a
 > problem in the same basket as electronic gimicry.

Your prerogative, but they're just different ways of cracking a nut. And
in every case I can think of, electronics provide the more elegant
solution.

 > The behaviour, influence and timing of mechanical intervention is
 > entirely predictable once you've experienced it once. Electronic
 > intervention is not.

Hmm. LSDs can turn a predictably handling car into a dog.

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In article <13tgg05neteovvdhduk2r53qh3htkt3ju7 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
DRP535 <drp535.nospam DeleteThis @softhome.net> wrote:
 > In 10 years of driving an ABS equipped car I've only managed to
 > (unexpectedly) activate the system once as well. But, I was asking for
 > it because the car had at the time very worn out and very very hard
 > Michelin TRX tyres on it which were so far past their use-by it was
 > ridiculous and I got caught in an unexpected shower at the end of summer
 > - first rain of winter when the roads are slippier than goose shit on
 > linolium

Surely then if you never drive in such a way as to activate these safety
features, they remain just that - a safety net for the rare occasion when
something out of the ordinary happens?

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Bart Deschacht <Bart.Deschacht_EAT_HAM.RemoveThis@ap2.be> wrote in message news:<M7Sdne1VjM71gJjcRVnyig.RemoveThis@scarlet.biz>...
 >
 > ASC (Automatic Stability Control) is the pre-cursor to DSC (Dynamic
 > Stability Control) 2001+
 >
 > ASC is on by default everytime the car is started, pushing the switch
 > will turn it off and will light the yellow warning light.
 >
 > ASC/DSC are no magical devices, they are only designed to keep you from
 > losing control over your car.
 >
 > Bart
 > E46 '99 320d


I only had ABS on my 325 and never needed anything more than that 'cos
my tyres were *fantastic*. Before I put those on it had budget tyres
and the car would slide around all over the place. So, traction
control of whatever sort is to a large extent a function of the tyres
you have, and the power you have, & whether you drive like a t!t.

My M3 has DSC and you can still kick the rear end out in the wet and
definitely lose it in the snow. It's the dry weather, see how much
you can squeal the tyres corners that it takes over. ...but it does a
good job of it.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"adder" <adder1969.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:66674363.0407290450.1514c9cc@posting.google.com...
 >
 > My M3 has DSC and you can still kick the rear end out in the wet and
 > definitely lose it in the snow.

weird...



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In article <ceasul$22l$1@ls219.htnet.hr>,
J.G. <australopitek2003__________ RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
  > > My M3 has DSC and you can still kick the rear end out in the wet and
  > > definitely lose it in the snow.

 > weird...

It's because the aerial is in the rear window. When they stuck up - you
could always find them in the snow.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:51:25 +0800, DRP535 wrote:

 > Winter tyres are unknown in my part of the world.

I guess that excludes you from having a credible opinion on the utility
of ASC, doesn't it?

I think it works very well and is a valuable safety feature when driving
in very slippery conditions (read: snow/ice). Sorry if that makes me a
bad driver in your book.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:04:07 +0200, Bart Deschacht wrote:

 > ASC (Automatic Stability Control) is the pre-cursor to DSC (Dynamic
 > Stability Control) 2001+

I believe you mean 2000+. My 2000 323i has DSC...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Hi..new to this forum..currently looking around at the E36 328i and have noticed that the ASC button beside the cigarette lighter is only present in certain cars...this didnt depend on the year of production...so is ASC an additional optional feature???
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