AFS Trinity to announce 250 mpg Extreme Hybrid car on Jan ..

Jeff wrote:
> Mr. G wrote:
>> These vehicles aren't fantasy pipe-dreams. There are already a number
>> of companies and individuals who will convert a Prius to Plug-in Hybrid
>> Electric (PHEV), and Toyota is currently road testing a production
>> version.
>>
>> The MPG claims are not as straight-forward as with other cars, because
>> actual mileage will differ drastically based on driving habits. If
>> someone did a daily commute within the electric-only range, then they'd
>> never use gas, and the MPG would be infinite.
>
> Yet, the electricity that they use requires the burning of fossil fuels,
> unless it came from renewable resources, like solar power.
>
> So effectively, the lower gas mileage does a lot to make people feel
> good, but doesn't really reduce greenhouse gases.
>
> Does the zero gas mileage take into account the amount of fossil fuels
> needed to make the batteries, not to mention the tires, engine and rest
> of the car?

MPG is worthless in this context. How about miles per *carbon credit*?

And as for "infinity," what about a car which uses the energy it gains
from going downhill, or downwind, to take water and carbon dioxide out
of the atmosphere and make gasoline out of them? Its MPG would hop from
positive infinity to negative infinity, and then go up with increasing
efficiency!

(And of course, the heavier and less streamlined the car, the better!)

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
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Marshall Price wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> Mr. G wrote:
>>> These vehicles aren't fantasy pipe-dreams. There are already a
>>> number of companies and individuals who will convert a Prius to
>>> Plug-in Hybrid Electric (PHEV), and Toyota is currently road testing
>>> a production version.
>>>
>>> The MPG claims are not as straight-forward as with other cars,
>>> because actual mileage will differ drastically based on driving
>>> habits. If someone did a daily commute within the electric-only
>>> range, then they'd never use gas, and the MPG would be infinite.
>>
>> Yet, the electricity that they use requires the burning of fossil
>> fuels, unless it came from renewable resources, like solar power.
>>
>> So effectively, the lower gas mileage does a lot to make people feel
>> good, but doesn't really reduce greenhouse gases.
>>
>> Does the zero gas mileage take into account the amount of fossil fuels
>> needed to make the batteries, not to mention the tires, engine and
>> rest of the car?
>
> MPG is worthless in this context. How about miles per *carbon credit*?
>
> And as for "infinity," what about a car which uses the energy it gains
> from going downhill, or downwind, to take water and carbon dioxide out
> of the atmosphere and make gasoline out of them? Its MPG would hop from
> positive infinity to negative infinity, and then go up with increasing
> efficiency!
>
> (And of course, the heavier and less streamlined the car, the better!)
>
What goes down must come up!

Remember that converting fossil fuels to electricity, shipping it over
the grid, storing and retrieving it and converting it to mechanical
power is generally less efficient than shipping the fossil fuel direct
and burning it in the car. It only makes any ecological sense if the
electricity comes from renewables in the first place.

The only advantage is the tax break, and how long before our governments
start taxing electricity when used as a road fuel.

I like the idea of converting regenerator power to gasoline. The best I
can come up with is to generate electricity and use it to power a
fluorescent light to grow some algae which you can refine into fuel.
But it takes a lot of care to make sure you grow the right sort of
algae, if your culture gets infested with the starchy sort like pond
scum, you've lost the lot, unless you use that to feed carp, and run on
fish oil as a biodiesel.

Sorry, getting carried away.



Tim Jackson
(one of two - the
www.tim-jackson.co.uk
one)
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On Feb 5, 5:59 am, Marshall Price <d0213... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
> > Mr. G wrote:
> >> These vehicles aren't fantasy pipe-dreams.  There are already a number
> >> of companies and individuals who will convert a Prius to Plug-in Hybrid
> >> Electric (PHEV), and Toyota is currently road testing a production
> >> version.
>
> >> The MPG claims are not as straight-forward as with other cars, because
> >> actual mileage will differ drastically based on driving habits.  If
> >> someone did a daily commute within the electric-only range, then they'd
> >> never use gas, and the MPG would be infinite.
>
> > Yet, the electricity that they use requires the burning of fossil fuels,
> > unless it came fromrenewableresources, like solar power.
>
> > So effectively, the lower gas mileage does a lot to make people feel
> > good, but doesn't really reduce greenhouse gases.
>
> > Does the zero gas mileage take into account the amount of fossil fuels
> > needed to make the batteries, not to mention the tires, engine and rest
> > of the car?
>
> MPG is worthless in this context.  How about miles per *carbon credit*?
>
> And as for "infinity," what about a car which uses the energy it gains
> from going downhill, or downwind, to take water and carbon dioxide out
> of the atmosphere and make gasoline out of them?  Its MPG would hop from
> positive infinity to negative infinity, and then go up with increasing
> efficiency!
>
> (And of course, the heavier and less streamlined the car, the better!)
>
> --
> Marshall Price of Miami
> Known to Yahoo as d021317c- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>And as for "infinity," what about a car which uses the energy it gains
>from going downhill, or downwind, to take water and carbon dioxide out
>>of the atmosphere and make gasoline out of them? Its MPG would hop from
>positive infinity to negative infinity, and then go up with increasing
>efficiency!

Funny.

I propose a car that plugs into the driver/passenger adipose tissue
and makes fuel from that.
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In article <13qggd161qa3tf7.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>, Marshall Price
(d021317c@yahoo.com) says...
> And as for "infinity," what about a car which uses the energy it gains
> from going downhill, or downwind, to take water and carbon dioxide out
> of the atmosphere and make gasoline out of them? Its MPG would hop from
> positive infinity to negative infinity, and then go up with increasing
> efficiency!

If it was possible to generate gasoline, or any fuel, out of thin air we
wouldn't even know what OPEC was.

We might as well have a discussion of the benefits of powering cars on
happy thoughts. It could flash images of puppies and kittens in front
of the driver when it needed an extra boost for going uphill.
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