AC question?

As far as AC systems go, see if a later year with R134 will fit. With
R12 you'll just have a lot of headaches and empty pockets getting it
serviced. For example, I couldn't find the AC hose on rockauto.com for
your 85, and old hoses can leak!! Not to mention old moisture
saturated drier. Maybe the 95 22RE's 10PA15C bracket will fit your 22R
designed with 10P15C.

have a look: www.rockauto.com





On Jan 30, 6:52 pm, Jamie Mello <carkey... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Oh and one more thing the 85 4runner has a 22re engine mine has a 22r.
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

Thanks for the input but I can get a good deal on this ac system
$150.00 + tax for all.I want to know if I can get it to bolt right up.
Or is there going to get a lot of cutting and drilling.
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

It should. We're talking about the condenser, the compressor, the
receiver-dryer, the hoses, and the hard lines. The compressors may vary
year-to-year, so you will need to get the correct hoses. The compressor
bracket from a later 22RE should bolt on to your early 22R block. You
may need to mount the receiver-dryer on the fenderwell, rather than the
radiator brace.

The idle-up circuit is different between the 22R and the 22RE, but not
required and can be left off. And remember, "R12 systems work best with
R12!"
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

It ought to bolt right up. The problem (headache) you will run into is that
they will not charge the system for you because they can not use R12
anymore. The system will have to be converted to R134a.




"Jamie Mello" <carkeyscc.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:86f5cdb6-4d79-4937-a864-d03f1f97b0ec@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for the input but I can get a good deal on this ac system
> $150.00 + tax for all.I want to know if I can get it to bolt right up.
> Or is there going to get a lot of cutting and drilling.
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

So will that cost a lot money to get it changed over to r134a?
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

Well I just found out that I can get some stuff on ebay. that is like
the r12 stuff. Here is the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FREEZE-12-R12-SUBSTITUTE-1-CAR-KIT_W0QQ...mZ31001

Do you guys have any input on this stuff?
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

As far as I know, it is not a conversion you can make yourself. I'm pretty
sure you have to have it done at a shop.

Frankly, I think the reason the truck has no AC components is because a
previous owner did not want to pay for the conversion, or started to convert
it himself and ran into problems -- one of them being money.





"Jamie Mello" <carkeyscc.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> So will that cost a lot money to get it changed over to r134a?
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

Thanks
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

"Jamie Mello" <carkeyscc RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f2eeab3e-3ab3-422b-af1d-b5837474e7fb@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
| I just bought a 1983 toyota truck.(the other 83 toyota truck needed a
| new engine and transmission so it's being use for parts now) And it
| has all the stuff for ac inside the cab. But sometime in it's life
| someone removed all the stuff for the ac under the hood.Now here is my
| question I went to the junk yard today and found a 1985 4runner with
| all the ac stuff under the hood.And I wanted to know if the ac stuff
| from the 85 4runner will work on my 1983 toyota truck? Thanks Jamie
|

I bought a '87 4X4 PU a few years back that had all of the components
but did not work. The previous owner's son had disconnected the wire to
the compressor clutch when it quit working.

I took it to my mechanic and he pulled a vacuum on the system and it
leaked. He suggested I open up the dash and pull the the evaporator coil
and he would check it for me. I ended up replacing the evaporator coil
and the expansion valve. I also obtained a conversion kit which had
replacement O-rings and the fittings for R134 conversion.

He flushed the system, I installed the O-rings and R134 fittings and he
pulled a vacuum on it again. It held the vacuum okay so he charged it
with R134. It worked as it was supposed to but on a hot day it only
cooled the cab marginally. I used it that way for two more summers and
then I sold the truck.

I forget the exact amount of money I spent but I think it was around
$350.00 US and would have been much more if I hadn't done much of the
work.

--
Anyolmouse

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So everthing sould bolt right up? Is is there any mods I need to do?
I can get r12 on ebay. Thanks
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

You can call around to see if a place will fill it up with R12 without
costing an arm and a leg. R12 is definitely more expensive to service
than R134, but I don't know how much or even need to fortunately. I
had enough with $600 a pop services on flimsy Ford R12 systems with
garter spring clips (again, I heard prices came down). AC service for
R134 is about $100.

Many shops will tell you R12->134 conversion isn't a sure way to go.
So instead of retrofit R12 it may be more cost effective to get an old
but true R134 system because:

1. According to the specs on rockauto.com, the 85 condenser is about
28% smaller than the 95 (R134). So you'll lose efficiency with R134
because you need a larger condenser with R134.

2. The R12 hoses are NOT barrier hoses, so R134 will slowly leak out
leaving you with no refrigerant.

3. You cannot use the old drier. Because it was saturated and it was
not made for R134 (will disintegrate). If there was moisture in the
old system, you may also have hydrochloric acid in the old system as a
byproduct of reaction with R12.

4. The 10P15C compressor may not be suitable for conversion to R134 so
you have to check into this with an AC shop. If the old compressor
isn't leaking by now.

Why not price out a R134 system off a newer 4Runner using the 22RE
engine and check with an AC shop to see if a newer system will fit how
much to refill it compared to R12 before you decide?


On Jan 30, 8:57 pm, Jamie Mello <carkey....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the input but I can get a good deal on this ac system
> $150.00 + tax for all.I want to know if I can get it to bolt right up.
> Or is there going to get a lot of cutting and drilling.
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

Like Anyolmouse said you'll need some new parts and the efficiency of
the smaller R12 condenser will be poor. And you will need to have the
vacuum pulled, just look at the Interdynamics FAQ videos. I think they
simplified too much the conversion process and made it sound too easy.
On newer R12 systems during the transition years it would work, but I
have doubts on earlier systems.

http://www.id-usa.com/how_to_retrofit.asp



On Jan 31, 4:00 pm, Jamie Mello <carkey....TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> So everthing sould bolt right up? Is is there any mods I need to do?
> I can get r12 on ebay. Thanks
 >> Stay informed about: AC question? 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:09:50 -0800 (PST), Jamie Mello
<carkeyscc.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Well I just found out that I can get some stuff on ebay. that is like
>the r12 stuff. Here is the link.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FREEZE-12-R12-SUBSTITUTE-1-CAR-KIT_W0QQitemZ310017578758QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310017578758
>
>Do you guys have any input on this stuff?

The "general public" has not been able to buy R-12 for about 10
years - legally, at least, unless you take the time and effort to go
get a refrigerant technician license.

But it still happens - There are people illegally importing 1-pound
cans of R-12 from Asia (or from illegally hoarded stockpiles unless
the hoarder has the proper licenses) and selling it on E-Bay all the
time. If the EPA wanted to start making an example out of people they
could have a field day setting up stings with unlicensed buyers - at a
starting fine of $100K a pop, IIRC.

Properly licensed technicians still can possess and buy R-12 in bulk
cylinders (30-lb or larger) legally, but it's pricy - $500 to $800 for
that 30 pounds. And they can install it in your truck if the
refrigeration system is nice and tight - no detectable leaks.

I would be wary of using Freeze-12, only because they haven't done
long term durability tests with some of these exotic blends, and no
manufacturer (or rebuilder) will warrantee the new (or newly rebuilt)
compressor if you use anything other than the designed R-12 or R-134a
in it. Plus, you have to use separate tools and recovery equipment
for Freeze-12 that nobody local to you may have - but all shops still
have their old R-12 gear.

My opinion - make the system nice and leak tight, and stay with
R-12. You may have to change an expensive rubber hose or aluminum
"hard line" to fix a tiny seep leak that used to be an acceptable loss
of a pound or two a year - but with today's prices that leak could
translate to $100+ a year (or more) of lost refrigerant plus the labor
to top off the system, so you have to insist on tight.

The main reason to stay with it is R-12 works SO MUCH BETTER than
R-134a under identical operating conditions. They have to use
oversized components to cover the inefficiency of R-134a.

R-12 is more expensive, but the price should stay fairly stable for
many more years. It is still made and widely used overseas, where
they ignore such inconvenient things like the Kyoto Protocol...

And as old cars are dismantled they are recovering the R-12 at the
junkyards, and when old building HVAC or refrigeration systems are
dismantled large amounts of R-12 are recovered. That will provide a
reclaimed R-12 supply for years.

--<< Bruce >>--
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