A5 availability

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:10:34 +0200, against all advice, something
compelled Jacq Witjes <jacq RemoveThis @witech.nl>, to say:

> Audi's loosing money on every car they sell in the US.


Why wouldn't they just charge more?
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:10:34 +0200, Jacq Witjes <jacq DeleteThis @witech.nl>
wrote:

>In Holland we pay BPM = cartax 45% and VAT 19%.
>In Germany they only pay 19% VAT.

Uhhhh, that could be why the difference is so great. If you buy an
Audi in a state that has a sales tax, i.e. 5%, a $50k car with cost
$52.5k With a cartax of 45% and value added at 19%, I can believe
that an Audi costs more in EU. However, if I was to buy my next Audi
from the factory and take delivery in Germany, it would be less than
the U.S. price, but I would have to have it shipped at my own expense.

The local Audi dealer had an S5 - I drove it. It is no longer there.
Why? Because he sold it. I would imagine that the S5 rarity is the
same as when Audi produced the RS6. I had a difficult time finding my
RS6 because there were so very few imported.

BTW, I imagine that the U.S. is the most important export market for
Audi. If they are losing money, it is their fault. But, somehow, I
don't really think they are losing a dime on any car they sell in the
States.

ymmv,h

Dave
RS6 (snows off and BBS LMs on)
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Jacq Witjes knastet inn: :
> Steve Thompson schreef:
>> My local Audi dealer (upstate NY) has an A5 in the showroom. Sales guy
>> tells me that he is not allowed to sell it, and he is not allowed to
>> let anyone test-drive it. He says any order for an A5 will take six
>> months to fill. Is he blowing smoke?
>>
>
> I'm guessing here, but I think Audi US only gets a limited amount
> of A5's due to the weak US dollar.
> Audi's loosing money on every car they sell in the US.
> For instance, a Audi S5:
> USD 50,500.-- in USA
> EUR 87,960.-- in Holland ... that's USD 138,977,-- !!!
> EUR 56,400.-- in Germany ... that's USD 89.112,-- !!!
> No joke!
> In Holland we pay BPM = cartax 45% and VAT 19%.
> In Germany they only pay 19% VAT.
> So, don't complain over there!
> If only GM was so smart to lower their prices on the Corvette
> in Europe ... would result in a lot of US jobs ...

Please, grab a chair, I'll tell you about the Norwegian price

Audi S5 Coupé 4,2 FSI V8 354 Hk quattro

EUR: 149,047
USD: 235,833
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Dave LaCourse schreef:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:10:34 +0200, Jacq Witjes <jacq RemoveThis @witech.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> In Holland we pay BPM = cartax 45% and VAT 19%.
>> In Germany they only pay 19% VAT.
>
> Uhhhh, that could be why the difference is so great. If you buy an
> Audi in a state that has a sales tax, i.e. 5%, a $50k car with cost
> $52.5k With a cartax of 45% and value added at 19%, I can believe
> that an Audi costs more in EU. However, if I was to buy my next Audi
> from the factory and take delivery in Germany, it would be less than
> the U.S. price, but I would have to have it shipped at my own expense.

That were the old days.
You can download the German pdf pricelist at
http://www.audi.de/audi/de/de2/neuwagen/a5/a5.html
search for 'preisliste' ... it has prices with and without tax.

Even without all the taxes the cunsumer in the US pays 23% less
then a main Audi DEALER in Holland ...
I checked.

We're (me and the Audi dealer) thinking about importing $50k+ cars
back from the USA ...
That is ... if they can deliver.

>
> The local Audi dealer had an S5 - I drove it. It is no longer there.
> Why? Because he sold it. I would imagine that the S5 rarity is the
> same as when Audi produced the RS6. I had a difficult time finding my
> RS6 because there were so very few imported.
>
> BTW, I imagine that the U.S. is the most important export market for
> Audi. If they are losing money, it is their fault. But, somehow, I
> don't really think they are losing a dime on any car they sell in the
> States.
>

> ymmv,h
>
> Dave
> RS6 (snows off and BBS LMs on)
>
>
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Frank schreef:
> Jacq Witjes knastet inn: :
>> Steve Thompson schreef:
>>> My local Audi dealer (upstate NY) has an A5 in the showroom. Sales
>>> guy tells me that he is not allowed to sell it, and he is not allowed
>>> to let anyone test-drive it. He says any order for an A5 will take
>>> six months to fill. Is he blowing smoke?
>>>
>>
>> I'm guessing here, but I think Audi US only gets a limited amount
>> of A5's due to the weak US dollar.
>> Audi's loosing money on every car they sell in the US.
>> For instance, a Audi S5:
>> USD 50,500.-- in USA
>> EUR 87,960.-- in Holland ... that's USD 138,977,-- !!!
>> EUR 56,400.-- in Germany ... that's USD 89.112,-- !!!
>> No joke!
>> In Holland we pay BPM = cartax 45% and VAT 19%.
>> In Germany they only pay 19% VAT.
>> So, don't complain over there!
>> If only GM was so smart to lower their prices on the Corvette
>> in Europe ... would result in a lot of US jobs ...
>
> Please, grab a chair, I'll tell you about the Norwegian price
>
> Audi S5 Coupé 4,2 FSI V8 354 Hk quattro
>
> EUR: 149,047
> USD: 235,833

.... that's blowing smoke allright ... holy smoke!
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Steve Daniels schreef:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:10:34 +0200, against all advice, something
> compelled Jacq Witjes <jacq DeleteThis @witech.nl>, to say:
>
>> Audi's loosing money on every car they sell in the US.
>
>
> Why wouldn't they just charge more?

Long time deals maybe?
Delivery time here, A5/S5: 10-12 weeks, any option and color you want.
1 + 1 = 2.
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Dave LaCourse wrote:

> The local Audi dealer had an S5 - I drove it.

What did you think of it?

-s
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:13:31 -0400, Steve Thompson <smt DeleteThis @vgersoft.com>
wrote:

>What did you think of it?

What do you think of breathing? d;o)

Fantastic automobile. I drove it the same day I drove the R8 and the
RS4. My RS6 is five years old, and although I'd like to keep it, the
beauty of both the S5 and S6 may be too much for this old man to
overcome. I have two friends that have new S6s. Very impressive
automobile.

Dave
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On Apr 10, 4:10 am, Jacq Witjes <j....RemoveThis@witech.nl> wrote:

>
> Audi's loosing money on every car they sell in the US.
>

I'd like to see your proof for that statement. Audi isn't in business
to make cars, they are in business to make money. If this were the
case, they'd be gone from the US market, or adjust their prices so
they weren't losing money.

They had an S5 at the NY Auto Show - GREAT looking car, but it was in
white which doesn't do it justice. They had an R8 there as well, but
it was also in white, for some strange reason.

Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA
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"Dano58" <dan.dibiase RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:69740c0d-a7ca-45fb-8ed4-a5ddce9b5516@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 10, 4:10 am, Jacq Witjes <j... RemoveThis @witech.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>> Audi's loosing money on every car they sell in the US.
>>
>
> I'd like to see your proof for that statement. Audi isn't in business
> to make cars, they are in business to make money. If this were the
> case, they'd be gone from the US market, or adjust their prices so
> they weren't losing money.
>
> They had an S5 at the NY Auto Show - GREAT looking car, but it was in
> white which doesn't do it justice. They had an R8 there as well, but
> it was also in white, for some strange reason.
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA

Ghosts.............did you try touching one.
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> BTW, I imagine that the U.S. is the most important export market for
> Audi. If they are losing money, it is their fault. But, somehow, I
> don't really think they are losing a dime on any car they sell in the
> States.

Amazingly the UK is actually the biggest market for Audi outside of Germany.
I guess the US will be next.
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>> They had an S5 at the NY Auto Show - GREAT looking car, but it was in
>> white which doesn't do it justice. They had an R8 there as well, but
>> it was also in white, for some strange reason.

In Europe, white is the new trendy color.
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"H.D." <hdesmet_weg_ DeleteThis @myonline.be> wrote in message
news:4808b9fe.612111331@news.dommel.be...
>
>>> They had an S5 at the NY Auto Show - GREAT looking car, but it was in
>>> white which doesn't do it justice. They had an R8 there as well, but
>>> it was also in white, for some strange reason.
>
> In Europe, white is the new trendy color.

have not noticed it in the UK..........Silver is still the big thing. Makes
most motors look more valuable I suppose and needs less cleaning.

but then we aint really in Europe are we............we just pretend.

dj
Vitara.........SilkySilver.
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