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Old Crow

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:36 am
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<letterman DeleteThis @invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:03:09 -0400, "Ted" <Ted DeleteThis @NoSpam.com> wrote:
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>><letterman DeleteThis @invalid.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:21:58 -0400, "Ted" <Ted DeleteThis @NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If the pump in the rear tank is bad, why when the switch is in the rear
>>>>position would the front pump
>>>> still work? Wouldn't the truck die from lack of fuel?
>>>>
>>>>Ted
>>>
>>> If I switch to the rear tank with the engine running, the truck quits
>>> running from lack of fuel. Now you know !!!!
>>>
>>
>>That's my point. On my truck, if I switch from the front to the rear tank,
>>it
>>continues to run, pulling gas from the front tank. It always pulls gas
>>from the front tank.
>
> That's really odd. I dont know how that is possible unless the switch
> is defective. The switch switches fuel pumps, or is supposed to
> anyhow. The only other possibility is that the pumps are both
> connected to a fuel line directly, which I'd suspect would pump gas
> backwards to the other tank. I'd sure like to learn how that is
> occurring. If you find out, please tell all of us. VERY STRANGE!


Does it transfer the fuel out of the rear into the front while it's running?
Some of the new GM trucks are set up that way. Rear tank feeds into front
tank which feeds engine.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:00 am
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On Oct 20, 9:37 pm, letter....TakeThisOut@invalid.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:03:09 -0400, "Ted" <T....TakeThisOut@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
> ><letter....TakeThisOut@invalid.com> wrote in messagenews:le2gf4tniiqavscinrith51lfutn7jn8k8@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:21:58 -0400, "Ted" <T....TakeThisOut@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
> >>>If the pump in the rear tank is bad, why when the switch is in the rear position would the front pump
> >>> still work? Wouldn't the truck die from lack of fuel?
>
> >>>Ted
>
> >> If I switch to the rear tank with the engine running, the truck quits
> >> running from lack of fuel.  Now you know !!!!
>
> >That's my point. On my truck, if I switch from the front to the rear tank, it
> >continues to run, pulling gas from the front tank. It always pulls gas from the front tank.
>
> That's really odd.  I dont know how that is possible unless the switch
> is defective.  The switch switches fuel pumps, or is supposed to
> anyhow.  The only other possibility is that the pumps are both
> connected to a fuel line directly, which I'd suspect would pump gas
> backwards to the other tank.  I'd sure like to learn how that is
> occurring.  If you find out, please tell all of us. VERY STRANGE!

A glance through this thread suggests that the following may be
helpful. If the 6 is like my V8, the key is a thing called the dual
purpose reservoir. As stated above, selecting the tank activates the
low pressure pump in that tank which feeds the reservoir. The latter
contains some sort of flip flop diaphragm which does the actual
switching. The high-pressure pump draws fuel from there and directs it
to the fuel rail.

Something else: if one tank has had it anyway it does not matter. But
anyone should realise that, if a steel tank is left empty for long
periods both the tank and the sender corrode. So aim to keep both
tanks full. Obviously it does not matter as long as the tanks are both
full frequently. But if, as tends to happen, you favour one tank, then
keep the other one full (and every six months, at the most, use the
fuel in the spare tank and replace it - petrol left in the tank for a
year is barely recognisable as petrol).

I learnt this the hard way and replacement of tank, pump and sender
was not cheap.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:57 pm
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:02 pm
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That was my first thought. I checked the switch with an ohm meter and it is
good.

Ted

<letterman RemoveThis @invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:03:09 -0400, "Ted" <Ted RemoveThis @NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><letterman RemoveThis @invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:le2gf4tniiqavscinrith51lfutn7jn8k8@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:21:58 -0400, "Ted" <Ted RemoveThis @NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If the pump in the rear tank is bad, why when the switch is in the rear
>>>>position would the front pump
>>>> still work? Wouldn't the truck die from lack of fuel?
>>>>
>>>>Ted
>>>
>>> If I switch to the rear tank with the engine running, the truck quits
>>> running from lack of fuel. Now you know !!!!
>>>
>>
>>That's my point. On my truck, if I switch from the front to the rear tank,
>>it
>>continues to run, pulling gas from the front tank. It always pulls gas
>>from the front tank.
>
> That's really odd. I dont know how that is possible unless the switch
> is defective. The switch switches fuel pumps, or is supposed to
> anyhow. The only other possibility is that the pumps are both
> connected to a fuel line directly, which I'd suspect would pump gas
> backwards to the other tank. I'd sure like to learn how that is
> occurring. If you find out, please tell all of us. VERY STRANGE!
>
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:15 pm
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"david" <none.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message news:gdjcr8$pkh$1@aioe.org...
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:26:15 +0000, Kevin rearranged some electrons to
> say:
>
>> letterman.DeleteThis@invalid.com wrote in
>> news:3qnof419j6359f15dltsfvgm6tg53kma84@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:03:09 -0400, "Ted" <Ted.DeleteThis@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>><letterman.DeleteThis@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:le2gf4tniiqavscinrith51lfutn7jn8k8@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:21:58 -0400, "Ted" <Ted.DeleteThis@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>If the pump in the rear tank is bad, why when the switch is in the
>>>>>>rear position would the front pump
>>>>>> still work? Wouldn't the truck die from lack of fuel?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>
>>>>> If I switch to the rear tank with the engine running, the truck quits
>>>>> running from lack of fuel. Now you know !!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>That's my point. On my truck, if I switch from the front to the rear
>>>>tank, it continues to run, pulling gas from the front tank. It always
>>>>pulls gas from the front tank.
>>>
>>> That's really odd. I dont know how that is possible unless the switch
>>> is defective. The switch switches fuel pumps, or is supposed to
>>> anyhow. The only other possibility is that the pumps are both
>>> connected to a fuel line directly, which I'd suspect would pump gas
>>> backwards to the other tank. I'd sure like to learn how that is
>>> occurring. If you find out, please tell all of us. VERY STRANGE!
>>>
>>>
>> this is not strange at all. the dash switch only goes to the under the
>> bed solenoid\valve this actually switches the fuel tank level sender
>> and also switches the supply and return lines to each tank. KB
>
> On my old 89, if I recall, the fuel selector valve was not a solenoid.
> The valve was a shuttle valve that was activated by low-pressure fuel
> flowing from the selected tank to via the low-pressure pump in the tank.
> The sender circuits were switched by the dash switch, which also powered
> the selected low pressure pump. It was common for the selector valve to
> get gunked up and fail to shuttle to the correct tank. I have also heard
> of the valve getting stuck part way thus allowing one tank to pump into
> the other instead of into the suction line for the high pressure pump.
>

David, you are correct. No electrical to the selector valve. I thought that
it would be the selector valve, so I replaced it with a new one.

Ted
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:42 am
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"Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> David, you are correct. No electrical to the selector valve. I thought
> that it would be the selector valve, so I replaced it with a new one.
>
> Ted
>

If there is no electrical TO the valve, then the trouble is not the valve,
it's the electrical that doesn't get to it.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:25 pm
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:42:06 -0700, Jeff Strickland rearranged some
electrons to say:

> "Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> David, you are correct. No electrical to the selector valve. I thought
>> that it would be the selector valve, so I replaced it with a new one.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
> If there is no electrical TO the valve, then the trouble is not the
> valve, it's the electrical that doesn't get to it.

Ah, no Jeff. The valve is a shuttle valve, and they were known to get
gunked up and stop working correctly.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:42 pm
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> David, you are correct. No electrical to the selector valve. I thought
>> that it would be the selector valve, so I replaced it with a new one.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>
> If there is no electrical TO the valve, then the trouble is not the valve,
> it's the electrical that doesn't get to it.
>
>
I may have not spoken correctly. There are no electrical connections to the
selector valve. Only the 6 fuel lines. One from each tank that feed fuel,
one that feeds fuel to the engine, one return from the engine and two that
return to the tanks.

Ted
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:27 pm
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"david" <none.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ge2g9c$m4d$2@aioe.org...
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:42:06 -0700, Jeff Strickland rearranged some
> electrons to say:
>
>> "Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:IaRMk.79965$XB4.3200@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> David, you are correct. No electrical to the selector valve. I thought
>>> that it would be the selector valve, so I replaced it with a new one.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>>
>>>
>> If there is no electrical TO the valve, then the trouble is not the
>> valve, it's the electrical that doesn't get to it.
>
> Ah, no Jeff. The valve is a shuttle valve, and they were known to get
> gunked up and stop working correctly.


I understand that. What I'm confused by is the statement that there was no
electricity going to the valve, so the valve was replaced. Seems to me that
the electricity is the trouble in this instance, not the valve.
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