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Since: Nov 24, 2006 Posts: 24
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:19 am
Post subject: 22R - Hesitation At Steady Speed Archived from groups: alt>autos>toyota>trucks (more info?)
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For a few months, my '88 Toyota Pickup with a 22R engine and 4-speed
trans, has had a slight hesitation above about 50 MPH in high gear. The
same hesitation is there at lower speeds in lower gears, which leads me
to believe it's an ignition problem. If I'm going up a slight hill,
there's no hesitation, so it sounds like it's related to vacuum. Is it
possible there's a broken wire in the distributor that momentarily
looses connection at a certain vacuum level?
This hasn't been a real problem since I drive less than 100 miles per
week and seldom drive at freeway speeds.
I'm thinking of replacing the distributor, to the tune of around $160.00
for parts.
I have a mandatory smog test coming up at the end of October, so am
thinking I'll see how it goes. If it fails, I'll replace the distributor
and have it retested.
I had thought, at first, that it may be fuel related, but have pretty
much ruled that out since it's fine at wider throttle openings. It has a
fairly new fuel pump and the filter has been replaced. It ran fine after
those changes, and started the hesitation a few months later.
Any help would be appreciated...
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Since: Aug 14, 2006 Posts: 209
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:36 pm
Post subject: Re: 22R - Hesitation At Steady Speed [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I solved some performance issues when I reattached a loose hose on the
EGR system and washed the dirty filters in the EGR modulator in
dishwashing detergent and let the filters dry. My truck has only
275,000 miles on it and is a 1987. It had a few skips about 175,000
miles ago but none since.
If your distributor is like mine there is no vaccum advance in it. I
think you are throwing good money away. I would start with cleaning
the EGR system.
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 07:19:46 -0700, TOM <tom.RemoveThis@catz.org> wrote:
>For a few months, my '88 Toyota Pickup with a 22R engine and 4-speed
>trans, has had a slight hesitation above about 50 MPH in high gear. The
>same hesitation is there at lower speeds in lower gears, which leads me
>to believe it's an ignition problem. If I'm going up a slight hill,
>there's no hesitation, so it sounds like it's related to vacuum. Is it
>possible there's a broken wire in the distributor that momentarily
>looses connection at a certain vacuum level?
>
>This hasn't been a real problem since I drive less than 100 miles per
>week and seldom drive at freeway speeds.
>
>I'm thinking of replacing the distributor, to the tune of around $160.00
>for parts.
>
>I have a mandatory smog test coming up at the end of October, so am
>thinking I'll see how it goes. If it fails, I'll replace the distributor
>and have it retested.
>
>I had thought, at first, that it may be fuel related, but have pretty
>much ruled that out since it's fine at wider throttle openings. It has a
>fairly new fuel pump and the filter has been replaced. It ran fine after
>those changes, and started the hesitation a few months later.
>
>Any help would be appreciated... >> Stay informed about: 22R - Hesitation At Steady Speed |
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Since: Apr 17, 2007 Posts: 31
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:36 pm
Post subject: Re: 22R - Hesitation At Steady Speed [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Sep 28, 8:36 pm, Jim Behning
<jimbehn....RemoveThis@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
> I solved some performance issues when I reattached a loose hose on the
> EGR system and washed the dirty filters in the EGR modulator in
> dishwashing detergent and let the filters dry. My truck has only
> 275,000 miles on it and is a 1987. It had a few skips about 175,000
> miles ago but none since.
>
> If your distributor is like mine there is no vaccum advance in it. I
> think you are throwing good money away. I would start with cleaning
> the EGR system.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 07:19:46 -0700, TOM <t....RemoveThis@catz.org> wrote:
> >For a few months, my '88 Toyota Pickup with a 22R engine and 4-speed
> >trans, has had a slight hesitation above about 50 MPH in high gear. The
> >same hesitation is there at lower speeds in lower gears, which leads me
> >to believe it's an ignition problem. If I'm going up a slight hill,
> >there's no hesitation, so it sounds like it's related to vacuum. Is it
> >possible there's a broken wire in the distributor that momentarily
> >looses connection at a certain vacuum level?
>
> >This hasn't been a real problem since I drive less than 100 miles per
> >week and seldom drive at freeway speeds.
>
> >I'm thinking of replacing the distributor, to the tune of around $160.00
> >for parts.
>
> >I have a mandatory smog test coming up at the end of October, so am
> >thinking I'll see how it goes. If it fails, I'll replace the distributor
> >and have it retested.
>
> >I had thought, at first, that it may be fuel related, but have pretty
> >much ruled that out since it's fine at wider throttle openings. It has a
> >fairly new fuel pump and the filter has been replaced. It ran fine after
> >those changes, and started the hesitation a few months later.
>
> >Any help would be appreciated...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Indeed it sounds like an EGR problem. To test this, disconnect and
block the vacuum hoses going to the EGR valve. If the problem goes
away, you know you are getting too much EGR. An ignition problem is
almost always correlated with heavy load and not slight acceleration.
Another characteristic of an EGR problem is that the problem does not
happen when the engine is cold and always begins exactly at the same
coolant temperature. That happens because the EGR vacuum is ported
through a themostatically controlled vacuum switching valve. Good
luck. Al >> Stay informed about: 22R - Hesitation At Steady Speed |
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Since: Nov 24, 2006 Posts: 24
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:43 am
Post subject: Re: 22R - Hesitation At Steady Speed [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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TOM wrote:
> For a few months, my '88 Toyota Pickup with a 22R engine and 4-speed
> trans, has had a slight hesitation above about 50 MPH in high gear. The
> same hesitation is there at lower speeds in lower gears, which leads me
> to believe it's an ignition problem. If I'm going up a slight hill,
> there's no hesitation, so it sounds like it's related to vacuum. Is it
> possible there's a broken wire in the distributor that momentarily
> looses connection at a certain vacuum level?
>
> This hasn't been a real problem since I drive less than 100 miles per
> week and seldom drive at freeway speeds.
>
> I'm thinking of replacing the distributor, to the tune of around $160.00
> for parts.
>
> I have a mandatory smog test coming up at the end of October, so am
> thinking I'll see how it goes. If it fails, I'll replace the distributor
> and have it retested.
>
> I had thought, at first, that it may be fuel related, but have pretty
> much ruled that out since it's fine at wider throttle openings. It has a
> fairly new fuel pump and the filter has been replaced. It ran fine after
> those changes, and started the hesitation a few months later.
>
> Any help would be appreciated...
Jim and Al,
Thank you for the prompt response. I've read other threads about the
EGR, but hadn't thought about it in this case. I think it's a problem of
not seeing the forest for the trees.
I'll dig in to it and report back.
Again, thank you...
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Since: Nov 24, 2006 Posts: 24
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:05 pm
Post subject: Re: 22R - Hesitation At Steady Speed [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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TOM wrote:
> For a few months, my '88 Toyota Pickup with a 22R engine and 4-speed
> trans, has had a slight hesitation above about 50 MPH in high gear. The
> same hesitation is there at lower speeds in lower gears, which leads me
> to believe it's an ignition problem. If I'm going up a slight hill,
> there's no hesitation, so it sounds like it's related to vacuum. Is it
> possible there's a broken wire in the distributor that momentarily
> looses connection at a certain vacuum level?
>
> This hasn't been a real problem since I drive less than 100 miles per
> week and seldom drive at freeway speeds.
>
> I'm thinking of replacing the distributor, to the tune of around $160.00
> for parts.
>
> I have a mandatory smog test coming up at the end of October, so am
> thinking I'll see how it goes. If it fails, I'll replace the distributor
> and have it retested.
>
> I had thought, at first, that it may be fuel related, but have pretty
> much ruled that out since it's fine at wider throttle openings. It has a
> fairly new fuel pump and the filter has been replaced. It ran fine after
> those changes, and started the hesitation a few months later.
>
> Any help would be appreciated...
I bought a replacement EGR Vacuum Modulator (Solenoid) from
autopartsway.com. I installed it yesterday (10/25). It seems to have
cured the problem. The original unit was mechanically OK, or so it
seemed, but the filter inside was a mass of carbon. It hasn't been
opened or cleaned in over 20 years (187,000 miles), so probably deserved
a rest.
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question...
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