2007 twin-turbo Saleen Parnelli Jones Mustang

"Hawgman" <nunya.TakeThisOut@nowhere.net> wrote in
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> "DC" <nobody.TakeThisOut@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
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>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any
>> of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would
>> probably be it...(a total of 500 were produced)...but one
>> particular owner decided to make his PJ Mustang truly
>> unique. How? He added dual 57mm Precision turbos, upgraded
>> forged pistons, aluminum heads, a full three-inch exhaust
>> system, and much, much more. In total, the motor produces
>> 768 horsepower and 769 lb-ft torque -- at the wheels! The
>> look of the car remains completely unchanged, making it as
>> much of a sleeper as a car painted in Grabber Orange can
>> be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors
>> http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ...
>>
>
> Ahhhhh.. nothing like taking an overpriced in the first place limited
> production special edition vehicle and modifying it so that it looses
> it's "special edition" value then trying to sell it in the hopes of
> getting your money back.
>
Well there *is* the possibility that the original parts come with it - in
*whatever* condition they happen to be in...
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DC wrote:
> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any
> of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would
> probably be it...(a total of 500 were produced)...but one
> particular owner decided to make his PJ Mustang truly
> unique. How? He added dual 57mm Precision turbos, upgraded
> forged pistons, aluminum heads, a full three-inch exhaust
> system, and much, much more. In total, the motor produces
> 768 horsepower and 769 lb-ft torque -- at the wheels! The
> look of the car remains completely unchanged, making it as
> much of a sleeper as a car painted in Grabber Orange can
> be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors
> http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ...
>
I wouldn't kick it to the curb but I will have to wait till the rich
kids are done playing with their toys

--
Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT
W/bits & pieces
http://tinyurl.com/2uqoat
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:43 -0500, "Hawgman" <nunya.RemoveThis@nowhere.net>
wrote:

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>"DC" <nobody.RemoveThis@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
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>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any
>> of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would
>> probably be it...(a total of 500 were produced)...but one
>> particular owner decided to make his PJ Mustang truly
>> unique. How? He added dual 57mm Precision turbos, upgraded
>> forged pistons, aluminum heads, a full three-inch exhaust
>> system, and much, much more. In total, the motor produces
>> 768 horsepower and 769 lb-ft torque -- at the wheels! The
>> look of the car remains completely unchanged, making it as
>> much of a sleeper as a car painted in Grabber Orange can
>> be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors
>> http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ...
>>
>
>Ahhhhh.. nothing like taking an overpriced in the first place limited
>production special edition vehicle and modifying it so that it looses it's
>"special edition" value then trying to sell it in the hopes of getting your
>money back.
>

It doesn't really matter until they shave about 750lbs off the car
which would have been more effective than simply adding more HP
anyhow.

I will never, personally, understand why someone takes a car that
starts out at around $17-18k and spends over $50-70k, or even $100k
for the upscaled version of what is still a $17-18k. Then you toss in
the fact that many of them are in rental fleets and the resale
plummets that much more.

I like the Mustang. It's a really nice looking car. Alas, even
supercharged, turbocharged, tweaked twiddled and twollopped it's still
not an over $35k car to me and that's if it had a full warranty to go
with it.
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adventuremyk wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:43 -0500, "Hawgman"
> <nunya.RemoveThis@nowhere.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "DC" <nobody.RemoveThis@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in
>> message
>> news:64fb26da777ca38dd85eb404eb3682dd@pseudo.borked.net...
>>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were
>>> to pick any
>>> of the current Mustang variants, >>
>> Ahhhhh.. nothing like taking an overpriced in
>> the first place limited
>> production special edition vehicle and
>> modifying it so that it
>> looses it's "special edition" value then trying
>> to sell it in the
>> hopes of getting your money back.
>>
>
> It doesn't really matter until they shave about
> 750lbs off the car
> which would have been more effective than simply
> adding more HP
> anyhow.
>
> I will never, personally, understand why someone
> takes a car that
> starts out at around $17-18k and spends over
> $50-70k, or even $100k
> for the upscaled version of what is still a
> $17-18k. Then you toss in
> the fact that many of them are in rental fleets
> and the resale
> plummets that much more.
>
> I like the Mustang. It's a really nice looking
> car. Alas, even
> supercharged, turbocharged, tweaked twiddled and
> twollopped it's still
> not an over $35k car to me and that's if it had
> a full warranty to go
> with it.

--
I'd agree with you. I love my new Mustang.
It's a great little Pony car - fun to drive,
comfy, economical, killer looks, low purchase
price, and easy maintenance. All the things
you'de want in a daily driver. One of the best
cars I'v owned in a long time.

But as a performance car, it's sadly lacking. Too
heavy, not enough power, not enough cubes, soft
suspension, small brakes. There's no way I'd
$75K on a souped up limited edition Mustang, when
I can get a Z06 for the same money.

--------
..boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2008 Mustang Coupe- Pony, V6/T5
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.
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The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s, a whole different animal than the GT
V8s. The resale value on the V8 is fantastic. I drove home my '09 GT
convertible in March for $5,000, trading on '07 GT convertible. The dealer
sold it within a week for just $3,000 less than I paid for in August of '06.
Drive a 500 or a KR and it will become apparent why they are worth the price
to ride


<adventuremyk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:43 -0500, "Hawgman" <nunya.RemoveThis@nowhere.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"DC" <nobody.RemoveThis@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
>>news:64fb26da777ca38dd85eb404eb3682dd@pseudo.borked.net...
>>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any
>>> of the current Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would
>>> probably be it...(a total of 500 were produced)...but one
>>> particular owner decided to make his PJ Mustang truly
>>> unique. How? He added dual 57mm Precision turbos, upgraded
>>> forged pistons, aluminum heads, a full three-inch exhaust
>>> system, and much, much more. In total, the motor produces
>>> 768 horsepower and 769 lb-ft torque -- at the wheels! The
>>> look of the car remains completely unchanged, making it as
>>> much of a sleeper as a car painted in Grabber Orange can
>>> be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors
>>> http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ...
>>>
>>
>>Ahhhhh.. nothing like taking an overpriced in the first place limited
>>production special edition vehicle and modifying it so that it looses it's
>>"special edition" value then trying to sell it in the hopes of getting
>>your
>>money back.
>>
>
> It doesn't really matter until they shave about 750lbs off the car
> which would have been more effective than simply adding more HP
> anyhow.
>
> I will never, personally, understand why someone takes a car that
> starts out at around $17-18k and spends over $50-70k, or even $100k
> for the upscaled version of what is still a $17-18k. Then you toss in
> the fact that many of them are in rental fleets and the resale
> plummets that much more.
>
> I like the Mustang. It's a really nice looking car. Alas, even
> supercharged, turbocharged, tweaked twiddled and twollopped it's still
> not an over $35k car to me and that's if it had a full warranty to go
> with it.
>
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Yes but you will not have a back seat!


".boB" <bobcowan035.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> adventuremyk wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:43 -0500, "Hawgman" <nunya.TakeThisOut@nowhere.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "DC" <nobody.TakeThisOut@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
>>> news:64fb26da777ca38dd85eb404eb3682dd@pseudo.borked.net...
>>>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any
>>>> of the current Mustang variants, >>
>>> Ahhhhh.. nothing like taking an overpriced in the first place limited
>>> production special edition vehicle and modifying it so that it
>>> looses it's "special edition" value then trying to sell it in the
>>> hopes of getting your money back.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't really matter until they shave about 750lbs off the car
>> which would have been more effective than simply adding more HP
>> anyhow.
>>
>> I will never, personally, understand why someone takes a car that
>> starts out at around $17-18k and spends over $50-70k, or even $100k
>> for the upscaled version of what is still a $17-18k. Then you toss in
>> the fact that many of them are in rental fleets and the resale
>> plummets that much more.
>>
>> I like the Mustang. It's a really nice looking car. Alas, even
>> supercharged, turbocharged, tweaked twiddled and twollopped it's still
>> not an over $35k car to me and that's if it had a full warranty to go
>> with it.
>
> --
> I'd agree with you. I love my new Mustang. It's a great little Pony
> car - fun to drive, comfy, economical, killer looks, low purchase price,
> and easy maintenance. All the things you'de want in a daily driver. One
> of the best cars I'v owned in a long time.
>
> But as a performance car, it's sadly lacking. Too heavy, not enough
> power, not enough cubes, soft suspension, small brakes. There's no way
> I'd $75K on a souped up limited edition Mustang, when I can get a Z06 for
> the same money.
>
> --------
> .boB
> 2006 FXDI hot rod
> 2008 Mustang Coupe- Pony, V6/T5
> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.
>
>
>
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Mike Hunter wrote:
> Yes but you will not have a back seat!
>
>
> ".boB" <bobcowan035 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> adventuremyk wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:43 -0500, "Hawgman" <nunya DeleteThis @nowhere.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <nobody DeleteThis @pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:64fb26da777ca38dd85eb404eb3682dd@pseudo.borked.net...
>>>>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any
>>>>> of the current Mustang variants, >>
>>>> Ahhhhh.. nothing like taking an overpriced in the first place
>>>> limited production special edition vehicle and modifying it so
>>>> that it looses it's "special edition" value then trying to sell
>>>> it in the hopes of getting your money back.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It doesn't really matter until they shave about 750lbs off the car
>>> which would have been more effective than simply adding more HP
>>> anyhow.
>>>
>>> I will never, personally, understand why someone takes a car that
>>> starts out at around $17-18k and spends over $50-70k, or even
>>> $100k for the upscaled version of what is still a $17-18k. Then
>>> you toss in the fact that many of them are in rental fleets and
>>> the resale plummets that much more.
>>>
>>> I like the Mustang. It's a really nice looking car. Alas, even
>>> supercharged, turbocharged, tweaked twiddled and twollopped it's
>>> still not an over $35k car to me and that's if it had a full
>>> warranty to go with it.
>>
>> --
>> I'd agree with you. I love my new Mustang. It's a great little
>> Pony car - fun to drive, comfy, economical, killer looks, low
>> purchase price, and easy maintenance. All the things you'de want
>> in a daily driver. One of the best cars I'v owned in a long time.
>>
>> But as a performance car, it's sadly lacking. Too heavy, not
>> enough power, not enough cubes, soft suspension, small brakes.
>> There's no way I'd $75K on a souped up limited edition Mustang,
>> when I can get a Z06 for the same money.
>>
>> --------
>> .boB
>> 2006 FXDI hot rod
>> 2008 Mustang Coupe- Pony, V6/T5
>> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
>> 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

Both valid observations: Mustangs nice; Z06, no back seat.

From my experience with S197 Mustangs, it seems to me either the V6 or
the V8 is much more car than anyone really needs, overweight problem
notwithstanding. In either of them there is almost never occasion to
legally enjoy their capabilities. For those who find the opportunity,
cost of useful modifications is the least significant aspect of the
process. The Ford Factory Racers pare off a bit of avoirdupois and put
the money in the good stuff. Out of my financial league, but still a
neat package and a good value to those whose needs they fill.

I did extensive bolt-in suspension modifications on my V6 convertible,
added excellent wheels and tires, and came up with an on-ramp
masterpiece. Worked good on the autocross track, too. A real pleasure
to drive, but there it sits. Occasional autocross, occasional ramp
joy, occasional trip to the supermarket, occasional pleasure cruise.
Very few moments of full-use, and quite an investment just sitting
there. Seems as if the process of modifying it was as important and as
pleasurable as the ressult of all the money and the work. That may
have been true of the Parnelli Jones turbocharged project. Keep busy,
feelgood process and project.

Couple months ago I thought I was ready for a Shelby GT500, and
shopped a few. Test drives were delightful, I really enjoyed the cars.
Even at bargain basement prices, well under sticker, not for me. I
correctly anticipated the potential outcome of a GT500 purchase: same
deal as the modded V6. Nice car, lots of MPH capability, 'pedigree',
a pleasure to behold, all dressed up and no place to go. It would take
serious investment in time and money to use it at its limits more than
'occasionally'. I don't have the resources for that. I know of a few
who do, and I see the lengths they go to in trying to enjoy their cars
at that end of the envelope. Costly.

I settled for a GT/CS, recognizing its benefits and its limits, and
the limits it places on my impulse to modify it. Kind of a governor on
my behavior.

The differences between the V6 and the GT are not as important as the
similarities: either of them is a loaded gun on the highway, capable
of getting me - a decent and mature driver - into trouble with little
effort. Either the young folks with S197s have more sense than I give
them credit for, or someone is covering up a boatload of dangerous
behavior and accidents.

--
Frank ess
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I think I would wait till 2047, when you can get a half million at auction


"GILL" <gilles1 RemoveThis @usedmeatcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> DC wrote:
>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any of the current
>> Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would probably be it...(a total of
>> 500 were produced)...but one particular owner decided to make his PJ
>> Mustang truly unique. How? He added dual 57mm Precision turbos, upgraded
>> forged pistons, aluminum heads, a full three-inch exhaust system, and
>> much, much more. In total, the motor produces 768 horsepower and 769
>> lb-ft torque -- at the wheels! The look of the car remains completely
>> unchanged, making it as much of a sleeper as a car painted in Grabber
>> Orange can be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors
>> http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ...
>>
> I wouldn't kick it to the curb but I will have to wait till the rich kids
> are done playing with their toys
>
> --
> Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT
> W/bits & pieces
> http://tinyurl.com/2uqoat
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If history repeats, then again maybe we will buy Chinese knock-offs at
Walmart.

Mike Hunter wrote:
> I think I would wait till 2047, when you can get a half million at auction
>
>
> "GILL" <gilles1 RemoveThis @usedmeatcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gdnng3$1gg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> DC wrote:
>>> driive.com http://xrl.us/ouk3t - ...If we were to pick any of the current
>>> Mustang variants, the Parnelli Jones would probably be it...(a total of
>>> 500 were produced)...but one particular owner decided to make his PJ
>>> Mustang truly unique. How? He added dual 57mm Precision turbos, upgraded
>>> forged pistons, aluminum heads, a full three-inch exhaust system, and
>>> much, much more. In total, the motor produces 768 horsepower and 769
>>> lb-ft torque -- at the wheels! The look of the car remains completely
>>> unchanged, making it as much of a sleeper as a car painted in Grabber
>>> Orange can be. The modded Parnelli is now up for sale on eBay Motors
>>> http://xrl.us/2007Mustang ...
>>>
>> I wouldn't kick it to the curb but I will have to wait till the rich kids
>> are done playing with their toys
>>
>> --
>> Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT
>> W/bits & pieces
>> http://tinyurl.com/2uqoat
>
>


--
Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT
W/bits & pieces
http://tinyurl.com/2uqoat
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:56:54 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s, a whole different animal than the GT
>V8s. The resale value on the V8 is fantastic. I drove home my '09 GT
>convertible in March for $5,000, trading on '07 GT convertible. The dealer
>sold it within a week for just $3,000 less than I paid for in August of '06.
>Drive a 500 or a KR and it will become apparent why they are worth the price
>to ride

There are quite a few V8's in the rental fleets around here but yes
they do have better resale than the V6's. I'd have a hard time
thinking you were that close in price with this economy unless the '09
incentives were huge (based on this economy that's not a stretch).

I haven't driven the KR or 500. Pure power doesn't do it for me. I
want the overall package with an emphasis on handling and fun. The
GT's I have driven (albeit only 3 of the new model, all basic
manuals), already felt nose heavy and wallowy in suspension. The more
I read about the supercharged models they come across as even more
nose heavy.

Rip about 750lbs or so out of the car and you help every aspect of
performance instead of just one.

Oh, and none of my vehicles have a back seat unless you count the
motorcycles though my wife's car has one. I think we have carried
passengers twice in the last year. <grin> You won't see me rushing
off to buy a Corvette either. I prefer to drive a car rather than lay
in an overstuffed no-feeling lounge chair, and yes, I have driven
several of the new Vette's (but not the Z06's).

Come to think of it, used Z06's are in the $20's...
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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> The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s,

Except for the Shelby Hertz GT cars. I know a guy who has 2. Bought them
directly from Hertz. a coupe and a convertible.
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Ford does not offer rebates on the GT, except at balance out, and it is
never as high as other Ford rebates. I own an '09 that I bought in June. I
have owned five others a 1999, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, none of which had a
rebate.

In any event don't confuse price with performance. The Mustang GT
convertible costs at least $6,000 less to drive home than a V6 Camry Solara
convertible and $4,500 less than the Chrysler V6 convertible, both of which
are driven by the wrong end to be a performance car. The GT will blow the
doors off both of them, or any other convertible at any were near the price
of the GT, for that matter.


<adventuremyk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:56:54 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
>
>>The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s, a whole different animal than the
>>GT
>>V8s. The resale value on the V8 is fantastic. I drove home my '09 GT
>>convertible in March for $5,000, trading on '07 GT convertible. The
>>dealer
>>sold it within a week for just $3,000 less than I paid for in August of
>>'06.
>>Drive a 500 or a KR and it will become apparent why they are worth the
>>price
>>to ride
>
> There are quite a few V8's in the rental fleets around here but yes
> they do have better resale than the V6's. I'd have a hard time
> thinking you were that close in price with this economy unless the '09
> incentives were huge (based on this economy that's not a stretch).
>
> I haven't driven the KR or 500. Pure power doesn't do it for me. I
> want the overall package with an emphasis on handling and fun. The
> GT's I have driven (albeit only 3 of the new model, all basic
> manuals), already felt nose heavy and wallowy in suspension. The more
> I read about the supercharged models they come across as even more
> nose heavy.
>
> Rip about 750lbs or so out of the car and you help every aspect of
> performance instead of just one.
>
> Oh, and none of my vehicles have a back seat unless you count the
> motorcycles though my wife's car has one. I think we have carried
> passengers twice in the last year. <grin> You won't see me rushing
> off to buy a Corvette either. I prefer to drive a car rather than lay
> in an overstuffed no-feeling lounge chair, and yes, I have driven
> several of the new Vette's (but not the Z06's).
>
> Come to think of it, used Z06's are in the $20's...
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What is your point? One can rent a MB, RR etc from rental car companies is
some markets, but they certainly not dumped on them and not the norm.


"Scott W." <69ta_mustangatcomcastdotcom> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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>> The Mustangs in rental fleets as V6s,
>
> Except for the Shelby Hertz GT cars. I know a guy who has 2. Bought them
> directly from Hertz. a coupe and a convertible.
>
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