2005 Silverado: Rear Drum Brakes ?

Unless they got to a double piston caliper they will have nothing but troube. I
have a 2004 and have had the brakes replace under warranty . I usually never
replace brakes till 60,000 miles as i do all highway driving.
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"Randd01" <randd01 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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 > Unless they got to a double piston caliper they will have nothing but
troube. I
 > have a 2004 and have had the brakes replace under warranty . I usually
never
 > replace brakes till 60,000 miles as i do all highway driving.

What was your mileage when you replaced them?

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I had 33,000 miles on it whn the first caliper froze up. Then shortly after the
backs were prematurely worn out at around 35,000 miles. In my opinion I think
the pads are too small. I don't know what the problem is with the calipers but
I know a few peopel that have had a few freeze up also. And I also have a
ffriend that has a 2004 that had to have all the brake lines replaced to the
back brakes because there were internal blockages of some sort fromt he
factory. But he wore out his back brakes in 12,000 miles. Another friend with
a 2001 has had the brakes done 3 times under 50,000 miles. The dealer told him
it is because the antilock sensors were dirty. BS!!
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One-Shot Scot wrote:
 > Is this item in regard to the 2005 Silverado a mistake?:

No.

 > Rear drum brakes? This sounds like a giant step backward. The Monroni
 > sticker on my 2004 Silverado shows that 4-WHEEL DISK BRAKES are
 > standard equipment. The rear disk brakes on my 2004 Silverado have
 > completely eliminated the traditional problems that I had with the
 > rear drum brakes on my 1990 Scottsdale: Out of round drums caused by
 > park brake clamping and park brake slippage. I thought that the
 > 4-wheel disk brakes were a tremendous improvement.

Well, you thought wrong. The rear disc brakes on full size trucks (New
style body), have been nothing but trouble. Especially trucks that are
used in a lot of off road applications, or muddy, dirty situations.
Personally,
as a mechanic that makes my living fixing the stupid things, I'd prefer that
GM not bring back the drum brakes (very little goes wrong with them), but
in the interest of putting out a more reliable product, drums are the way to
go in a lot of situations.

 > Is it possible that GM has gone back to putting only drum brakes in
 > the rear of its 2005 Silverado trucks?

You can get either drums, or disc brakes. Your choice.

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On 16 Sep 2004 19:33:28 GMT, randd01.DeleteThis@aol.com (Randd01) wrote:

 >Unless they got to a double piston caliper they will have nothing but troube. I
 >have a 2004 and have had the brakes replace under warranty . I usually never
 >replace brakes till 60,000 miles as i do all highway driving.


Wait, the full-size trucks don't have dual-piston calipers? Even the
S-10 had dual-piston calipers up front. The 98 and later 4x4s do
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What i was getting at was double pistons means larget pads . Drums have a lot
more service area of shoe then disc pads have.
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"shiden_kai" <violet_lightening_modified.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<<The rear disc brakes on full size trucks (New style body), have been
nothing but trouble. Especially trucks that are used in a lot of off
road applications, or muddy, dirty situations. Personally, as a
mechanic that makes my living fixing the stupid things, I'd prefer that
GM not bring back the drum brakes (very little goes wrong with them),
but in the interest of putting out a more reliable product, drums are
the way to go in a lot of situations.>>


I'm afraid that the next phase of GM's retro brake technology might be
the elimination of the hydraulic system and a return to the primitive
mechanical mechanisms used in the early 30's. Mechanical four-wheel drum
brakes will undoubtedly be the next innovation. If GM were to top off
this antiquated drum-brake system with a pull-on "emergency" brake, they
could set braking technology back by over 70 years.

Here is a review of GM's newest braking system:

"Keep in mind, that drum brakes have improved drastically in their
technology and performance in just the last few years. I'm not clear on
exactly what that technology is, but this is what I'm told, and I'm just
parroting it. The 1500's new drum brakes are the largest ever installed
on a light-duty truck, and they make the new 17" wheels a necessity."

The implication in this article -- as well as several others -- is that
GM has created a vastly superior braking system for its 2005 trucks by
switching back to oversized drum brakes in the rear. And these are not
just ordinary oversized drum brakes, mind you. These are drum brakes
that are so big and massive that they mandate the use of the new
17"wheels. Best of all, the money that GM has saved by using the
old-fashioned drum brakes on the rear allows for vast improvements in
the front disk brake system.

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The problem is this. They will literally last forever "IF" the owner takes
care of them. This means greasing the slides. The pads are like 1" thick and
the rotors are so beefy I can't see them EVER being too thin to turn.

GMC Gremlin

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 > I had 33,000 miles on it whn the first caliper froze up. Then shortly
after the
 > backs were prematurely worn out at around 35,000 miles. In my opinion I
think
 > the pads are too small. I don't know what the problem is with the calipers
but
 > I know a few peopel that have had a few freeze up also. And I also have a
 > ffriend that has a 2004 that had to have all the brake lines replaced to
the
 > back brakes because there were internal blockages of some sort fromt he
 > factory. But he wore out his back brakes in 12,000 miles. Another friend
with
 > a 2001 has had the brakes done 3 times under 50,000 miles. The dealer
told him
 > it is because the antilock sensors were dirty. BS!!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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How can they die in the mud? You can't find a quad with drum brakes for the
life of you.....! Why don't front drums die in the mud?

GMC Gremlin

"shiden_kai" <violet_lightening_modified.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > One-Shot Scot wrote:
  > > Is this item in regard to the 2005 Silverado a mistake?:
 >
 > No.
 >
  > > Rear drum brakes? This sounds like a giant step backward. The Monroni
  > > sticker on my 2004 Silverado shows that 4-WHEEL DISK BRAKES are
  > > standard equipment. The rear disk brakes on my 2004 Silverado have
  > > completely eliminated the traditional problems that I had with the
  > > rear drum brakes on my 1990 Scottsdale: Out of round drums caused by
  > > park brake clamping and park brake slippage. I thought that the
  > > 4-wheel disk brakes were a tremendous improvement.
 >
 > Well, you thought wrong. The rear disc brakes on full size trucks (New
 > style body), have been nothing but trouble. Especially trucks that are
 > used in a lot of off road applications, or muddy, dirty situations.
 > Personally,
 > as a mechanic that makes my living fixing the stupid things, I'd prefer
that
 > GM not bring back the drum brakes (very little goes wrong with them), but
 > in the interest of putting out a more reliable product, drums are the way
to
 > go in a lot of situations.
 >
  > > Is it possible that GM has gone back to putting only drum brakes in
  > > the rear of its 2005 Silverado trucks?
 >
 > You can get either drums, or disc brakes. Your choice.
 >
 > Ian
 >
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Oh... and even when the rear drums in my 1990 GMC Jimmy are working
"properly" if I get them muddy they no longer do...

GMC Gremlin

"shiden_kai" <violet_lightening_modified.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > One-Shot Scot wrote:
  > > Is this item in regard to the 2005 Silverado a mistake?:
 >
 > No.
 >
  > > Rear drum brakes? This sounds like a giant step backward. The Monroni
  > > sticker on my 2004 Silverado shows that 4-WHEEL DISK BRAKES are
  > > standard equipment. The rear disk brakes on my 2004 Silverado have
  > > completely eliminated the traditional problems that I had with the
  > > rear drum brakes on my 1990 Scottsdale: Out of round drums caused by
  > > park brake clamping and park brake slippage. I thought that the
  > > 4-wheel disk brakes were a tremendous improvement.
 >
 > Well, you thought wrong. The rear disc brakes on full size trucks (New
 > style body), have been nothing but trouble. Especially trucks that are
 > used in a lot of off road applications, or muddy, dirty situations.
 > Personally,
 > as a mechanic that makes my living fixing the stupid things, I'd prefer
that
 > GM not bring back the drum brakes (very little goes wrong with them), but
 > in the interest of putting out a more reliable product, drums are the way
to
 > go in a lot of situations.
 >
  > > Is it possible that GM has gone back to putting only drum brakes in
  > > the rear of its 2005 Silverado trucks?
 >
 > You can get either drums, or disc brakes. Your choice.
 >
 > Ian
 >
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Suppose I should clarify that too "NEW" quads.

GMC Gremlin

"GMC Gremlin" <death.DeleteThis@becomes.me> wrote in message
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 > How can they die in the mud? You can't find a quad with drum brakes for
the
 > life of you.....! Why don't front drums die in the mud?
 >
 > GMC Gremlin
 >
 > "shiden_kai" <violet_lightening_modified.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:jls2d.447551$gE.98645@pd7tw3no...
  > > One-Shot Scot wrote:
   > > > Is this item in regard to the 2005 Silverado a mistake?:
  > >
  > > No.
  > >
   > > > Rear drum brakes? This sounds like a giant step backward. The Monroni
   > > > sticker on my 2004 Silverado shows that 4-WHEEL DISK BRAKES are
   > > > standard equipment. The rear disk brakes on my 2004 Silverado have
   > > > completely eliminated the traditional problems that I had with the
   > > > rear drum brakes on my 1990 Scottsdale: Out of round drums caused by
   > > > park brake clamping and park brake slippage. I thought that the
   > > > 4-wheel disk brakes were a tremendous improvement.
  > >
  > > Well, you thought wrong. The rear disc brakes on full size trucks (New
  > > style body), have been nothing but trouble. Especially trucks that are
  > > used in a lot of off road applications, or muddy, dirty situations.
  > > Personally,
  > > as a mechanic that makes my living fixing the stupid things, I'd prefer
 > that
  > > GM not bring back the drum brakes (very little goes wrong with them),
but
  > > in the interest of putting out a more reliable product, drums are the
way
 > to
  > > go in a lot of situations.
  > >
   > > > Is it possible that GM has gone back to putting only drum brakes in
   > > > the rear of its 2005 Silverado trucks?
  > >
  > > You can get either drums, or disc brakes. Your choice.
  > >
  > > Ian
  > >
  > >
 >
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GMC Gremlin wrote:

 > How can they die in the mud? You can't find a quad with drum brakes
 > for the life of you.....! Why don't front drums die in the mud?

They don't "die". You may be thinking of drum brakes that don't
work when you go through water. In this instance, I'll give the
disc brakes the nod. But because of the clearance issues between
the caliper and rear rims, the position of the caliper (front of the
rotor)..etc..the rear disc brakes have a tendancy for the banjo
bolt that holds the brake line to the caliper to loosen up...the
rocks and crap that get between the caliper and rim can either
damage the rim/caliper, or get into the caliper and pad area and
cause premature wear on the pads. Sorry, we see it all the time
and have to repair them. We have two options for off road trucks,
we install a pair of mud guards "in front of the rear wheels" and/or
special shields that bolt onto the rear calipers and they help deflect
crap away from the caliper area.

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One-Shot Scot wrote:
 > I'm afraid that the next phase of GM's retro brake technology might be
 > the elimination of the hydraulic system and a return to the primitive
 > mechanical mechanisms used in the early 30's. Mechanical four-wheel
 > drum
 > brakes will undoubtedly be the next innovation. If GM were to top off
 > this antiquated drum-brake system with a pull-on "emergency" brake,
 > they
 > could set braking technology back by over 70 years.

Ah...we have a comedian. Definitely a humorous paragraph....but
by no means an intelligent paragraph.

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