2005 Forester

"Kurt C. Hack" <johndoe.TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote in message
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 > Also keep in mind that this comes from someone who drives a 2002 Ford
 > Explorer. Needless to say, an authority on vehicle quality he is not.

Gee..thats pretty funny there Kurt! Lets see......owned and driven daily for
over 3 years, a lot of it on the highway between Los Angeles and Las Vegas.
In that amount of time NOTHING...I mean NOTHING has failed. It still has the
factory tires on it. It gets the oil changed every 3500 miles, gets new
coolant every March. On the other hand I see OWNERS bitching about Subarus
less than 4 years old with.......
Raw Fuel Leaks( how hard can this be to fix????)
Oil Leaks (even my mid 60's Chrysler doesnt leak)
Overheating
HEAD GASKETS (Just plain stupid/unacceptable)
Noisy valves (2003 Baja)
Having to reset the ECU (04 Forester)Why ??? it's SUPPOSED to know whats its
doing!
Bad/Failed O2 Sensors
POOR fuel economy for the size of car (16-20MPG get real, my 4.0L V-6 does
that. )
"antifreeze smell" inside car
"Auto Climate Control" (04 Outback)..poorly designed, changes settings on
its own Floor/Dash vents
Clutch Shudder
"Check Engine light" usually means nothing, reveals no codes and dealer cant
fix it
Rough Idle(04 WRX,05 baja) dealer says thats normal???
Engine rattle (03 Impreza) when cold
WheelBearing failure
Stereo system audio power amplifier catching fire
A/C that wont work in traffic, alternator that can't keep up with electrical
demands.
Windows that whistle,squeak and rattle (WRX many model years)
Paint chips and dings all over (ALL of Subaru)(many complaints from Forester
owners)Honda/Toyota/Nissan paint is MUCH better.
Tranny failures/problems at 3000 miles (like a NEW forester)
Wimpy horn
Electric lock problems(2000 Forester)
Shitty Brakes (Consumer Report on 2001 Outbacks)
"Clunking Noises" (05 Outback with 5,000 Miles on it)
Cracking windshields (05 Outback with wiper blade heater)
REPEATED visits to the dealer to get anything fixed right
Shitty dealer network, poor customer support, "NO CAN DO" outlook unless
pressured
***READ THIS*** ALL THESE COMMENTS CAME FROM THIS GROUP, FROM OWNERS. This
is not made up, not my opinion All of these have been bitched about right
here in this forum.
While the Explorer is NOT a "rally car" it sure is good at it's job.I know I
can turn the key and point it in any direction and GET THERE and BACK
without calling for a hook or Ford to come back up my
warranty."Warranty"..while they are good to have is NOT the answer.Fact
is..there are a LOT more Ford Explorers on the roads in the U.S.A. than
Subaru's anyday. There must be a reason for it.
There is NO EXCUSE for all these problems in a new or recently purchased
car. A lot of this crap should NEVER happen.I expect this kind of crap from
a Korean rustbucket (see KIA,DAEWOO, HYUNDAI) but NOT a Japanese car.
Subaru's quality and they way they handle it's customers is PISS-POOR at
best. Look at it from the standpoint of the owner that can't turn his own
wrenches. Those people don't need a "MG" or a Fiat,Triumph..truly a fix/tune
up daily.
Your daily commuter doesnt need to deal with worthless "Check Engine" lights
or the rest of the problems listed here.






  > > Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. *I*
  > > personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and
i
  > > get flamed in here for speaking my piece).
  > >
  > > If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,
  > > however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no
  > > problems at all.
  > > Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does
back
  > > their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The
  > > failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark,
i
  > > speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from
articles I
  > > see in print.
  > > I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los
Angeles
  > > area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that
have
  > > been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the
streets.
  > > Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be
surprised to
  > > see they won't. (I wonder why that is
  > > Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an
  > > indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will
have
  > > some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them
that
  > > should never happen and continue to occur.
  > > Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are
  > > EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others
or
  > > speaking the truth about Subaru in general......
  > > So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's
  > > worth).
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I think your list reflects well the range of problems though you tend to
exagerate the rate at which they occur.
I admit I don't hang out at the Ford Explorer newsgroup so, please tell
me, are there NO COMPLAINTS there?

Carl


DR. FAFOOFNlK wrote:

 > "Kurt C. Hack" <johndoe.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote in message
 > news:JOmdnbyyjoYFTcbfRVn-2w@wideopenwest.com...
 >
  >>Also keep in mind that this comes from someone who drives a 2002 Ford
  >>Explorer. Needless to say, an authority on vehicle quality he is not.
 >
 >
 > Gee..thats pretty funny there Kurt! Lets see......owned and driven daily for
 > over 3 years, a lot of it on the highway between Los Angeles and Las Vegas.
 > In that amount of time NOTHING...I mean NOTHING has failed. It still has the
 > factory tires on it. It gets the oil changed every 3500 miles, gets new
 > coolant every March. On the other hand I see OWNERS bitching about Subarus
 > less than 4 years old with.......
 > Raw Fuel Leaks( how hard can this be to fix????)
 > Oil Leaks (even my mid 60's Chrysler doesnt leak)
 > Overheating
 > HEAD GASKETS (Just plain stupid/unacceptable)
 > Noisy valves (2003 Baja)
 > Having to reset the ECU (04 Forester)Why ??? it's SUPPOSED to know whats its
 > doing!
 > Bad/Failed O2 Sensors
 > POOR fuel economy for the size of car (16-20MPG get real, my 4.0L V-6 does
 > that. )
 > "antifreeze smell" inside car
 > "Auto Climate Control" (04 Outback)..poorly designed, changes settings on
 > its own Floor/Dash vents
 > Clutch Shudder
 > "Check Engine light" usually means nothing, reveals no codes and dealer cant
 > fix it
 > Rough Idle(04 WRX,05 baja) dealer says thats normal???
 > Engine rattle (03 Impreza) when cold
 > WheelBearing failure
 > Stereo system audio power amplifier catching fire
 > A/C that wont work in traffic, alternator that can't keep up with electrical
 > demands.
 > Windows that whistle,squeak and rattle (WRX many model years)
 > Paint chips and dings all over (ALL of Subaru)(many complaints from Forester
 > owners)Honda/Toyota/Nissan paint is MUCH better.
 > Tranny failures/problems at 3000 miles (like a NEW forester)
 > Wimpy horn
 > Electric lock problems(2000 Forester)
 > Shitty Brakes (Consumer Report on 2001 Outbacks)
 > "Clunking Noises" (05 Outback with 5,000 Miles on it)
 > Cracking windshields (05 Outback with wiper blade heater)
 > REPEATED visits to the dealer to get anything fixed right
 > Shitty dealer network, poor customer support, "NO CAN DO" outlook unless
 > pressured
 > ***READ THIS*** ALL THESE COMMENTS CAME FROM THIS GROUP, FROM OWNERS. This
 > is not made up, not my opinion All of these have been bitched about right
 > here in this forum.
 > While the Explorer is NOT a "rally car" it sure is good at it's job.I know I
 > can turn the key and point it in any direction and GET THERE and BACK
 > without calling for a hook or Ford to come back up my
 > warranty."Warranty"..while they are good to have is NOT the answer.Fact
 > is..there are a LOT more Ford Explorers on the roads in the U.S.A. than
 > Subaru's anyday. There must be a reason for it.
 > There is NO EXCUSE for all these problems in a new or recently purchased
 > car. A lot of this crap should NEVER happen.I expect this kind of crap from
 > a Korean rustbucket (see KIA,DAEWOO, HYUNDAI) but NOT a Japanese car.
 > Subaru's quality and they way they handle it's customers is PISS-POOR at
 > best. Look at it from the standpoint of the owner that can't turn his own
 > wrenches. Those people don't need a "MG" or a Fiat,Triumph..truly a fix/tune
 > up daily.
 > Your daily commuter doesnt need to deal with worthless "Check Engine" lights
 > or the rest of the problems listed here.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
   >>>Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. *I*
   >>>personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and
 >
 > i
 >
   >>>get flamed in here for speaking my piece).
   >>>
   >>>If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,
   >>>however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no
   >>>problems at all.
   >>>Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does
 >
 > back
 >
   >>>their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The
   >>>failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark,
 >
 > i
 >
   >>>speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from
 >
 > articles I
 >
   >>>see in print.
   >>>I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los
 >
 > Angeles
 >
   >>>area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that
 >
 > have
 >
   >>>been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the
 >
 > streets.
 >
   >>>Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be
 >
 > surprised to
 >
   >>>see they won't. (I wonder why that is
   >>>Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an
   >>>indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will
 >
 > have
 >
   >>>some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them
 >
 > that
 >
   >>>should never happen and continue to occur.
   >>>Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are
   >>>EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others
 >
 > or
 >
   >>>speaking the truth about Subaru in general......
   >>>So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's
   >>>worth).
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
 >
 >
 >

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Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:

 > I admit I don't hang out at the Ford Explorer newsgroup so, please tell
 > me, are there NO COMPLAINTS there?

Carl,

Methinks Dr. Rasty got the ONE good unit Ford produced that year... my
sister, sister-in-law, and several other acquaintances have or have had
Explorers over the last 10 years, varying years amongst them. They have
registered NO complaints on the Internet about them. Probably cuz the
Ford dealers, where they spend SO MUCH of both their time AND money,
don't provide Internet access in the customer waiting areas. But in
defense of the Explorers, nobody I know has rolled theirs over with a
blowout. Yet...

No car's perfect. Dr. Rasty doesn't even own a Subie, so I fail to
understand what axe he has to grind here, but even if every single one
of us who posts here had ALL the problems he mentions, in the grand
scheme of things, considering even that the total number of Subies sold
is minuscule compared to Toyota Camries or Ford Explorers or other
popular makes, we'd hardly prove the marque unreliable.

Of the various people I've known personally who've had Subies, the one
who just hit 150k miles on his is the lowest mileage owner. Many
have/had over 200k, mine has 360k (that's miles, not kilometres, and,
don't forget, it blew up last week and even Dr. Rasty couldn't say
anything bad about the miles it's gone!) I think you'd be hard pressed
to find many Explorer owners with that kind of mileage. I don't think I
know anyone who could stand one that long (F-series owners being the
only Ford owners I know who stick with their vehicles until some big
numbers show on the clock. Well, if their ignition switches don't burn
them up?) So even though my inputs are strictly anecdotal, I think the
rants from a non-owner are unwarranted.

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"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" <alckytxn RemoveThis @swbell.not> wrote in message
news:3h07e.1939$VA3.6@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
 > I think your list reflects well the range of problems though you tend to
 > exagerate the rate at which they occur.
 > I admit I don't hang out at the Ford Explorer newsgroup so, please tell
 > me, are there NO COMPLAINTS there?
 >
 > Carl
 >
Oh yeah, there are complaints in the Ford forum too, however..VERY few of
them are vehicles less than 5 years old. I am pointing out the problem cars
that come out NEW with defects, correctable ones (like the leaking fuel
lines).
Ford is not without "problem" vehicles either. Part of this is due to them
sleeping with Kia (they have for years).
Fords problem(Ford/Lincoln Navigator and some "F" Series trucks) with cruise
control switch fires (caused by brake fluid seeping into the switch) was a
poor design.
Aerostar (now THIS is a real piece of shit) ignition switch fires.
The Ford "Fuckus" (Focus) is a turd, had one as a rental car in hawaii for
30 minutes and took it back for a Honda
Ford Work trucks and "E" series vans......bulletproof

I look at the postings as a "Crosscut" of Subaru customers..many of which
dont post (or even know it exists).Some do post they like their cars (a lot)
others tell of high miles, but way too many mention problems with **NEW**
ones, less than 5 years old, less than 50,000 miles and this is simply not
acceptable by todays standards. Quality control, good design CAN be done. I
mention the fuel leak incident because it's EASY to design around that. many
other cars out there have HIGH-PRESSURE fuel injection and they dont leak in
cold weather. It's CHEAPO parts, Subaru saves a few cents on each car AT
YOUR EXPENSE. I expect this on a $5995 new KIA Rio, not a $15,000+++ car.

Look at Daewoo...they are dying/dead. Besides the ugly styling, they were
falling apart on the lot. They are CHEAP...low priced, but even that didn't
save them. No one wants to sit on the side of the road, 150 miles from a
town thinking...I am SO damn glad that I have a 10 year, 100,000 mile
warranty on this car. Even tho I am stuck out in the middle of nowhere, will
miss work, will have to rent another car i feel warm and fuzzy all over
because i know my dealer will fix it AGAIN.
The ONLY way to prevent the car companies from putting out shitty
workmanship is DONT BY IT. Stopped Daewoo cold in the U.S.A.!!
Kia cant sell much here, Hyundai is pretty much shut down here. So what do
they do?? They ship these turkeys to 3rd world countries hahaha
Thats the ticket. Sell them to the poor people. They will buy ANY running
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I would have to agree there. My father-in-law works for Ford and
insists on purchasing these things every few years. Not only does he
take an absolutely huge hit on resale, even with A-Plan discounts, he
has had to either dump money into them after the warranty expires or
spends an eternity waiting for the warranty repair to be completed.
Funny, the majority of failures reported by Fafoofnick were some of the
ones experienced in four seperate Explorers. These include paint
problems, A/C compressor failure, CEL caused by O2 sensor failures, and
finally blown engine due to oil starvation caused by bad castings.

Yes quality certainly is job 1 at Ford.

-Kurt

Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:
 > I think your list reflects well the range of problems though you tend to
 > exagerate the rate at which they occur.
 > I admit I don't hang out at the Ford Explorer newsgroup so, please tell
 > me, are there NO COMPLAINTS there?
 >
 > Carl
 >
 >
 > DR. FAFOOFNlK wrote:
 >
  >> "Kurt C. Hack" <johndoe DeleteThis @email.com> wrote in message
  >> news:JOmdnbyyjoYFTcbfRVn-2w@wideopenwest.com...
  >>
   >>> Also keep in mind that this comes from someone who drives a 2002 Ford
   >>> Explorer. Needless to say, an authority on vehicle quality he is not.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Gee..thats pretty funny there Kurt! Lets see......owned and driven
  >> daily for
  >> over 3 years, a lot of it on the highway between Los Angeles and Las
  >> Vegas.
  >> In that amount of time NOTHING...I mean NOTHING has failed. It still
  >> has the
  >> factory tires on it. It gets the oil changed every 3500 miles, gets new
  >> coolant every March. On the other hand I see OWNERS bitching about
  >> Subarus
  >> less than 4 years old with.......
  >> Raw Fuel Leaks( how hard can this be to fix????)
  >> Oil Leaks (even my mid 60's Chrysler doesnt leak)
  >> Overheating
  >> HEAD GASKETS (Just plain stupid/unacceptable)
  >> Noisy valves (2003 Baja)
  >> Having to reset the ECU (04 Forester)Why ??? it's SUPPOSED to know
  >> whats its
  >> doing!
  >> Bad/Failed O2 Sensors
  >> POOR fuel economy for the size of car (16-20MPG get real, my 4.0L V-6
  >> does
  >> that. )
  >> "antifreeze smell" inside car
  >> "Auto Climate Control" (04 Outback)..poorly designed, changes settings on
  >> its own Floor/Dash vents
  >> Clutch Shudder
  >> "Check Engine light" usually means nothing, reveals no codes and
  >> dealer cant
  >> fix it
  >> Rough Idle(04 WRX,05 baja) dealer says thats normal???
  >> Engine rattle (03 Impreza) when cold
  >> WheelBearing failure
  >> Stereo system audio power amplifier catching fire
  >> A/C that wont work in traffic, alternator that can't keep up with
  >> electrical
  >> demands.
  >> Windows that whistle,squeak and rattle (WRX many model years)
  >> Paint chips and dings all over (ALL of Subaru)(many complaints from
  >> Forester
  >> owners)Honda/Toyota/Nissan paint is MUCH better.
  >> Tranny failures/problems at 3000 miles (like a NEW forester)
  >> Wimpy horn
  >> Electric lock problems(2000 Forester)
  >> Shitty Brakes (Consumer Report on 2001 Outbacks)
  >> "Clunking Noises" (05 Outback with 5,000 Miles on it)
  >> Cracking windshields (05 Outback with wiper blade heater)
  >> REPEATED visits to the dealer to get anything fixed right
  >> Shitty dealer network, poor customer support, "NO CAN DO" outlook unless
  >> pressured
  >> ***READ THIS*** ALL THESE COMMENTS CAME FROM THIS GROUP, FROM OWNERS.
  >> This
  >> is not made up, not my opinion All of these have been bitched about right
  >> here in this forum.
  >> While the Explorer is NOT a "rally car" it sure is good at it's job.I
  >> know I
  >> can turn the key and point it in any direction and GET THERE and BACK
  >> without calling for a hook or Ford to come back up my
  >> warranty."Warranty"..while they are good to have is NOT the answer.Fact
  >> is..there are a LOT more Ford Explorers on the roads in the U.S.A. than
  >> Subaru's anyday. There must be a reason for it.
  >> There is NO EXCUSE for all these problems in a new or recently purchased
  >> car. A lot of this crap should NEVER happen.I expect this kind of crap
  >> from
  >> a Korean rustbucket (see KIA,DAEWOO, HYUNDAI) but NOT a Japanese car.
  >> Subaru's quality and they way they handle it's customers is PISS-POOR at
  >> best. Look at it from the standpoint of the owner that can't turn his own
  >> wrenches. Those people don't need a "MG" or a Fiat,Triumph..truly a
  >> fix/tune
  >> up daily.
  >> Your daily commuter doesnt need to deal with worthless "Check Engine"
  >> lights
  >> or the rest of the problems listed here.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
   >>>> Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. *I*
   >>>> personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile
   >>>> (and
  >>
  >>
  >> i
  >>
   >>>> get flamed in here for speaking my piece).
   >>>>
   >>>> If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long
   >>>> run,
   >>>> however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no
   >>>> problems at all.
   >>>> Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does
  >>
  >>
  >> back
  >>
   >>>> their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of
   >>>> people.The
   >>>> failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one
   >>>> Mark,
  >>
  >>
  >> i
  >>
   >>>> speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from
  >>
  >>
  >> articles I
  >>
   >>>> see in print.
   >>>> I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los
  >>
  >>
  >> Angeles
  >>
   >>>> area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that
  >>
  >>
  >> have
  >>
   >>>> been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the
  >>
  >>
  >> streets.
  >>
   >>>> Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be
  >>
  >>
  >> surprised to
  >>
   >>>> see they won't. (I wonder why that is
   >>>> Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an
   >>>> indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will
  >>
  >>
  >> have
  >>
   >>>> some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them
  >>
  >>
  >> that
  >>
   >>>> should never happen and continue to occur.
   >>>> Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are
   >>>> EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning
   >>>> others
  >>
  >>
  >> or
  >>
   >>>> speaking the truth about Subaru in general......
   >>>> So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's
   >>>> worth).
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
  >>
  >>
  >>
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn.RemoveThis@cogeco.ca> wrote:

 >Hello everyone-
 >
 >I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
 >about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
 >advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
 >general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
 >2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
 >If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn.RemoveThis@hotmail.com.
 >Thanks in advance for your assistance.
 >
 >Mark
 >

Well, the Forester XT (FXT) is our 3rd Subaru. We also owned a Legacy
and a WRX STi. My wife drove the Legacy on a mail route for 10 years
and beat the crap out of it. We traded the STi in on the FXT because
my wife just didn't like the STi. I loved the STi. It was a blast to
drive. But, truthfully, it wasn't very practical.
The Forester is comfortable, smooth riding, and quiet. My wife loves
it. The only negative thing I can say about Subaru's is that the Gas
mileage stinks! We've been getting about 22 mpg. And that is 95%
highway miles. With the current cost of premium gas that hurts. But,
then again, we didn't buy the Subaru for it's great gas mileage. We
really like Subies AWD system and they have been very reliable and
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My 2000 Forester S has 85,000 + trouble free miles. My none turbo car
has plenty of power for a daily driver and yields 27-28 mpg at 70 mph
on regular gas. My town driving yields about 22 mpg. A very nice ride
for the money. I did not think the AWD would be a benefit here in FL.
but what a pleasant surprise when we get one of out frequent downpours
and there's 6 inches of water to drive through.
"SilverFXT" <curtspivey.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:077a61p7aee8mlsqudpahfahbuvgkoor1t@4ax.com...
 > On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn.TakeThisOut@cogeco.ca> wrote:
 >
  >>Hello everyone-
  >>
  >>I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know
  >>nothing
  >>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me
  >>some
  >>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or
  >>Subaru in
  >>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems
  >>up to
  >>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of
  >>Lemonaid.
  >>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write
  >>grapevyn@hotmail.com.
  >>Thanks in advance for your assistance.
  >>
  >>Mark
  >>
 >
 > Well, the Forester XT (FXT) is our 3rd Subaru. We also owned a
 > Legacy
 > and a WRX STi. My wife drove the Legacy on a mail route for 10 years
 > and beat the crap out of it. We traded the STi in on the FXT
 > because
 > my wife just didn't like the STi. I loved the STi. It was a blast
 > to
 > drive. But, truthfully, it wasn't very practical.
 > The Forester is comfortable, smooth riding, and quiet. My wife
 > loves
 > it. The only negative thing I can say about Subaru's is that the
 > Gas
 > mileage stinks! We've been getting about 22 mpg. And that is 95%
 > highway miles. With the current cost of premium gas that hurts.
 > But,
 > then again, we didn't buy the Subaru for it's great gas mileage. We
 > really like Subies AWD system and they have been very reliable and
 > cost effective for us.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Dr. Rastis Fafoofnik" <DRFafoofnik.DeleteThis@rumpledanus.com> wrote in message

 >
 > Well...360K out of any engine (except Cummins,Catapiller or Detroit
 > Diesel)
 > is very good, ESPECIALLY if it's turbocharged. I suspect a lot of the
 > failures we see in the Los ANgeles area can be attributed to the high
 > underhood temps experianced in Socal......

Yes, I suppose SoCal gets as hot as it does here where I live in Australia -
up to 45 deg C in summer.

But we have lots of Subarus running around and no more stopped by the side
of the road than any other make.

Ron<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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p38arover wrote:

 > Yes, I suppose SoCal gets as hot as it does here where I live in Australia -
 > up to 45 deg C in summer.
 >
 > But we have lots of Subarus running around and no more stopped by the side
 > of the road than any other make.
 >
 > Ron
 >
 >


Not many places in the US get temperatures of 45C (113F). I believe
temperatures like that are rare in SoCal.


--
Tom Reingold
Noo Joizy<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Thanks everyone for your input. I decided to buy the Forester L.L.Bean and
so far I am liking it very much. I do miss my Taurus SEL, though.

Thanks again. Your experiences and advice were invaluable.

Mark

"SilverFXT" <curtspivey.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:077a61p7aee8mlsqudpahfahbuvgkoor1t@4ax.com...
 > On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn.RemoveThis@cogeco.ca> wrote:
 >
  >>Hello everyone-
  >>
  >>I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
  >>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
  >>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
  >>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
  >>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
  >>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn.RemoveThis@hotmail.com.
  >>Thanks in advance for your assistance.
  >>
  >>Mark
  >>
 >
 > Well, the Forester XT (FXT) is our 3rd Subaru. We also owned a Legacy
 > and a WRX STi. My wife drove the Legacy on a mail route for 10 years
 > and beat the crap out of it. We traded the STi in on the FXT because
 > my wife just didn't like the STi. I loved the STi. It was a blast to
 > drive. But, truthfully, it wasn't very practical.
 > The Forester is comfortable, smooth riding, and quiet. My wife loves
 > it. The only negative thing I can say about Subaru's is that the Gas
 > mileage stinks! We've been getting about 22 mpg. And that is 95%
 > highway miles. With the current cost of premium gas that hurts. But,
 > then again, we didn't buy the Subaru for it's great gas mileage. We
 > really like Subies AWD system and they have been very reliable and
 > cost effective for us.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Tom Reingold wrote:

 > Not many places in the US get temperatures of 45C (113F). I believe
 > temperatures like that are rare in SoCal.

Tom,

Come on out here in mid-summer and let me show you the error of your
thinking!

I live about a half hour from Palm Springs--it will hit those temps
EVERY day for weeks, from about the first of July into mid-September.
And then we can go out to the desert where it actually gets hot... heck,
even on my back porch, at the foot of the mountains (approx 2700 ft
elevation) I'll see 110F too frequently for comfort during those same
months. Rare? I don't think so!

Now down where I think Dr. Rasty is, 100F is about all it gets. He's
much closer to the ocean.

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Rick Courtright wrote:
 > Tom Reingold wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Not many places in the US get temperatures of 45C (113F). I believe
  >>temperatures like that are rare in SoCal.
 >
 >
 > Tom,
 >
 > Come on out here in mid-summer and let me show you the error of your
 > thinking!
 >
 > I live about a half hour from Palm Springs--it will hit those temps
 > EVERY day for weeks, from about the first of July into mid-September.
 > And then we can go out to the desert where it actually gets hot... heck,
 > even on my back porch, at the foot of the mountains (approx 2700 ft
 > elevation) I'll see 110F too frequently for comfort during those same
 > months. Rare? I don't think so!
 >
 > Now down where I think Dr. Rasty is, 100F is about all it gets. He's
 > much closer to the ocean.
 >
 > Rick


Wow.


--
Tom Reingold
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Thanks for the update! Fafoofnick will be dissapointed, I'm sure.

-Kurt

mn wrote:
 > Thanks everyone for your input. I decided to buy the Forester L.L.Bean and
 > so far I am liking it very much. I do miss my Taurus SEL, though.
 >
 > Thanks again. Your experiences and advice were invaluable.
 >
 > Mark
 >
 > "SilverFXT" <curtspivey RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:077a61p7aee8mlsqudpahfahbuvgkoor1t@4ax.com...
 >
  >>On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>Hello everyone-
   >>>
   >>>I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
   >>>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
   >>>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
   >>>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
   >>>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
   >>>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn RemoveThis @hotmail.com.
   >>>Thanks in advance for your assistance.
   >>>
   >>>Mark
   >>>
  >>
  >>Well, the Forester XT (FXT) is our 3rd Subaru. We also owned a Legacy
  >>and a WRX STi. My wife drove the Legacy on a mail route for 10 years
  >>and beat the crap out of it. We traded the STi in on the FXT because
  >>my wife just didn't like the STi. I loved the STi. It was a blast to
  >>drive. But, truthfully, it wasn't very practical.
  >>The Forester is comfortable, smooth riding, and quiet. My wife loves
  >>it. The only negative thing I can say about Subaru's is that the Gas
  >>mileage stinks! We've been getting about 22 mpg. And that is 95%
  >>highway miles. With the current cost of premium gas that hurts. But,
  >>then again, we didn't buy the Subaru for it's great gas mileage. We
  >>really like Subies AWD system and they have been very reliable and
  >>cost effective for us.
 >
 >
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