2005 Forester

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote:

 >I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
 >about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
 >advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
 >general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
 >2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
 >If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn RemoveThis @hotmail.com.
 >Thanks in advance for your assistance.

The other thing to consider is whether you want the 6-cyl turbo engine
or just the regular 4-cyl; the turbo requires premium gas, but the
4-cyl runs fine on regular octane.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

"mn" <grapevyn.TakeThisOut@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...
 > Hello everyone-
 >
 > I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
 > about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
 > advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
 > general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
 > 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
 > If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com.
 > Thanks in advance for your assistance.
 >
 > Mark
 >
 >
Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. *I*
personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and i
get flamed in here for speaking my piece).

If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,
however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no
problems at all.
Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does back
their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The
failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark, i
speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from articles I
see in print.
I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los Angeles
area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that have
been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the streets.
Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be surprised to
see they won't. (I wonder why that is
Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an
indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will have
some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them that
should never happen and continue to occur.
Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are
EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others or
speaking the truth about Subaru in general......
So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's
worth).<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

I'm sure the car buying public appreciates your efforts. Can you direct
me to your warnings about other makes? Say, Jaguar, or Fiat, or
Sterling, or 90s Mercedes or Kia or 80s GM or maybe the mid 90s Ford
Windstars with the turning radius of an oil tanker and tranny troubles,
or the mid 90's Nissan/Q45 V6s with the 3 dollar O-ring that leaks oil
and is a 19.2 hour labor charge to replace or the Toyota V6 sludge
problems or...or...or....

Carl


DR. FAFOOFNlK wrote:

 > "mn" <grapevyn DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
 > news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...
 >
  >>Hello everyone-
  >>
  >>I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
  >>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
  >>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
  >>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
  >>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
  >>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn DeleteThis @hotmail.com.
  >>Thanks in advance for your assistance.
  >>
  >>Mark
  >>
  >>
 >
 > Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. *I*
 > personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and i
 > get flamed in here for speaking my piece).
 >
 > If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,
 > however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no
 > problems at all.
 > Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does back
 > their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The
 > failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark, i
 > speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from articles I
 > see in print.
 > I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los Angeles
 > area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that have
 > been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the streets.
 > Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be surprised to
 > see they won't. (I wonder why that is
 > Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an
 > indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will have
 > some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them that
 > should never happen and continue to occur.
 > Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are
 > EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others or
 > speaking the truth about Subaru in general......
 > So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's
 > worth).
 >
 >
 >
 >

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"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" <alckytxn.TakeThisOut@swbell.not> wrote in message
news:aAh6e.84$JJ2.40@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
 > I'm sure the car buying public appreciates your efforts. Can you direct
 > me to your warnings about other makes? Say, Jaguar, or Fiat, or
 > Sterling, or 90s Mercedes or Kia or 80s GM or maybe the mid 90s Ford
 > Windstars with the turning radius of an oil tanker and tranny troubles,
 > or the mid 90's Nissan/Q45 V6s with the 3 dollar O-ring that leaks oil
 > and is a 19.2 hour labor charge to replace or the Toyota V6 sludge
 > problems or...or...or....
 >
 > Carl
 >
Yes Carl..I can! and your right.....
Ford Taurus...bad transmission pump resulting in input shaft lockups
Ford Taurus...Head gasket failure, resulting in oil leaks
Ford Trucks...Cruise Control switch causing underhood fires
Ford Truck (early 90's) Ignition switch fires
Pontiac Fiero 6 Cyl..engine fires (remember those)
VW Beetles (new ones) electrical fires.
I will be happy to post more if you like, but it has nothing to do with
Subaru....<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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When I entered the car business oh so many years ago, one of the first
statistics that impressed me the most was"if an automobile were 99 and
44/100% pure like Ivory Soap (I'm dating myself here) it would only
have 146 things wrong with it. Today, with the complications and
sophistication of the current models, I hesitate to guess at how great
the number would be. To state that the end result of billions of
dollars of money, hours and hours of intelligent analysis by many
thousands of people, and more third party endorsement than any car in
it's class has resulted in abject failure, would lead a reasonable man
to question the accuser and his agenda or perhaps to discount it in
total.

If we compare man made machines to perfection, we are doomed to be
disappointed. Man is too often fallible so the outcome of his efforts
are never perfect, not even his criticism.

A pleasant good day to all....


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 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

I think if you want some good statistics good to Consumer Reports and
see what most owners have to say. Subaru reliability has been topnotch
for many years. I think CR uses a minimum 500 vehicle owners responses
to validate their ratings.
"H" <a3a44058 RemoveThis @telus.net> wrote in message
news:GQi6e.20969$7Q4.20249@clgrps13...
 > Ah the good doctor spews his crap once again. I don't know where you
 > got your negative bias from but clearly it is from somewhere other
 > than experience.
 >
 > What the sane world has to say is very different. Look at Consumer
 > Reports auto issues. The latest one rates SUBARU as the MOST
 > RELIABLE brand overall for 2004. The FORESTER is TOP PICK for
 > car-based SUVs for 2004 and 2005. Even Phil Edmunstons Lemon Aid
 > Guide has many good things to say about them. Try finding a used
 > Forester for sale, their rare because people tend to keep them. All
 > of the industry mags (Car&Driver etal) seem to like them, but take
 > anything an industry mag says with a huge grain of salt.
 >
 > Personally, I tend to go absolutely over-the-top when it comes to
 > researching big purchases such as cars, appliances etc. I did all
 > the research I could before buying my 04 Forester XS last May. It
 > wasn't originally one of the vehicles in my sites, the Legacy was.
 > But after more research I ended up with the Forester. Here's one tip
 > though, get rid of the Yokahama tires the Forester comes with, they
 > are bad. Oh, and if you are wondering what other vehicles I
 > seriously considered (but eliminated after research and test
 > drives), VW Jetta TDI, Mazda 6 Sportwgaon, Malibu Maxx, Legacy
 > wagon, Nissan X-Trail, Honda SRV, Toyota RAV4 along with cursory
 > looks at Saturns Large wagon, Hyundai, Kia and others.
 >
 >
 >
 > "DR. FAFOOFNlK" <goaway RemoveThis @spammers.com> wrote in message
 > news:Hah6e.1245$dT4.503@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
  >>
  >> "mn" <grapevyn RemoveThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
  >> news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...
   >>> Hello everyone-
   >>>
   >>> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know
   >>> nothing
   >>> about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give
   >>> me some
   >>> advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or
   >>> Subaru in
   >>> general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control
   >>> problems up to
   >>> 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of
   >>> Lemonaid.
   >>> If you prefer to contact me via email, please write
   >>> grapevyn RemoveThis @hotmail.com.
   >>> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
   >>>
   >>> Mark
   >>>
   >>>
  >> Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. *I*
  >> personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile
  >> (and i
  >> get flamed in here for speaking my piece).
  >>
  >> If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long
  >> run,
  >> however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with
  >> no
  >> problems at all.
  >> Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru
  >> does back
  >> their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of
  >> people.The
  >> failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one
  >> Mark, i
  >> speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from
  >> articles I
  >> see in print.
  >> I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los
  >> Angeles
  >> area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones
  >> that have
  >> been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the
  >> streets.
  >> Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be
  >> surprised to
  >> see they won't. (I wonder why that is
  >> Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's
  >> an
  >> indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars
  >> will have
  >> some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of
  >> them that
  >> should never happen and continue to occur.
  >> Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here
  >> are
  >> EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning
  >> others or
  >> speaking the truth about Subaru in general......
  >> So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what
  >> it's
  >> worth).
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

Ah the good doctor spews his crap once again. I don't know where you got
your negative bias from but clearly it is from somewhere other than
experience.

What the sane world has to say is very different. Look at Consumer Reports
auto issues. The latest one rates SUBARU as the MOST RELIABLE brand overall
for 2004. The FORESTER is TOP PICK for car-based SUVs for 2004 and 2005.
Even Phil Edmunstons Lemon Aid Guide has many good things to say about them.
Try finding a used Forester for sale, their rare because people tend to keep
them. All of the industry mags (Car&Driver etal) seem to like them, but take
anything an industry mag says with a huge grain of salt.

Personally, I tend to go absolutely over-the-top when it comes to
researching big purchases such as cars, appliances etc. I did all the
research I could before buying my 04 Forester XS last May. It wasn't
originally one of the vehicles in my sites, the Legacy was. But after more
research I ended up with the Forester. Here's one tip though, get rid of the
Yokahama tires the Forester comes with, they are bad. Oh, and if you are
wondering what other vehicles I seriously considered (but eliminated after
research and test drives), VW Jetta TDI, Mazda 6 Sportwgaon, Malibu Maxx,
Legacy wagon, Nissan X-Trail, Honda SRV, Toyota RAV4 along with cursory
looks at Saturns Large wagon, Hyundai, Kia and others.



"DR. FAFOOFNlK" <goaway DeleteThis @spammers.com> wrote in message
news:Hah6e.1245$dT4.503@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
 >
 > "mn" <grapevyn DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
 > news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...
  >> Hello everyone-
  >>
  >> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know
  >> nothing
  >> about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
  >> advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
  >> general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up
  >> to
  >> 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
  >> If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn DeleteThis @hotmail.com.
  >> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
  >>
  >> Mark
  >>
  >>
 > Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. *I*
 > personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and i
 > get flamed in here for speaking my piece).
 >
 > If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,
 > however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no
 > problems at all.
 > Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does back
 > their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The
 > failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark, i
 > speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from articles
 > I
 > see in print.
 > I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los
 > Angeles
 > area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that
 > have
 > been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the
 > streets.
 > Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be surprised
 > to
 > see they won't. (I wonder why that is
 > Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an
 > indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will
 > have
 > some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them
 > that
 > should never happen and continue to occur.
 > Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are
 > EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others
 > or
 > speaking the truth about Subaru in general......
 > So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's
 > worth).
 >
 >
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

Just throwing in my input... Check out statistics and reports for yourself,
don't just go by what people tell you. When I bought my 96 Plymouth Neon,
all I heard was: "They're junk, you'll hate it, its a piece of shit" Well
for some, that is true, but I had it for a little over a year, put well over
40k miles on it, and never had any major problems with it. (Wheel bearing
was the biggest problem). Since then I had another Neon, another good car,
and now I have a 1993 Subaru Impreza L, which I have had for maybe just over
a month, have put 3k miles on it, and haven't even changed the oil in it
yet. It is a very sturdy car for being over 12 years old. I know many people
with Subaru's, and they have all told me they wouldn't trade them for
anything.

Good luck!


"Edward Hayes" <erhayes DeleteThis @worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:n%i6e.555119$w62.237292@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
 >I think if you want some good statistics good to Consumer Reports and see
 >what most owners have to say. Subaru reliability has been topnotch for many
 >years. I think CR uses a minimum 500 vehicle owners responses to validate
 >their ratings.
 > "H" <a3a44058 DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote in message
 > news:GQi6e.20969$7Q4.20249@clgrps13...
  >> Ah the good doctor spews his crap once again. I don't know where you got
  >> your negative bias from but clearly it is from somewhere other than
  >> experience.
  >>
  >> What the sane world has to say is very different. Look at Consumer
  >> Reports auto issues. The latest one rates SUBARU as the MOST RELIABLE
  >> brand overall for 2004. The FORESTER is TOP PICK for car-based SUVs for
  >> 2004 and 2005. Even Phil Edmunstons Lemon Aid Guide has many good things
  >> to say about them. Try finding a used Forester for sale, their rare
  >> because people tend to keep them. All of the industry mags (Car&Driver
  >> etal) seem to like them, but take anything an industry mag says with a
  >> huge grain of salt.
  >>
  >> Personally, I tend to go absolutely over-the-top when it comes to
  >> researching big purchases such as cars, appliances etc. I did all the
  >> research I could before buying my 04 Forester XS last May. It wasn't
  >> originally one of the vehicles in my sites, the Legacy was. But after
  >> more research I ended up with the Forester. Here's one tip though, get
  >> rid of the Yokahama tires the Forester comes with, they are bad. Oh, and
  >> if you are wondering what other vehicles I seriously considered (but
  >> eliminated after research and test drives), VW Jetta TDI, Mazda 6
  >> Sportwgaon, Malibu Maxx, Legacy wagon, Nissan X-Trail, Honda SRV, Toyota
  >> RAV4 along with cursory looks at Saturns Large wagon, Hyundai, Kia and
  >> others.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> "DR. FAFOOFNlK" <goaway DeleteThis @spammers.com> wrote in message
  >> news:Hah6e.1245$dT4.503@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
   >>>
   >>> "mn" <grapevyn DeleteThis @cogeco.ca> wrote in message
   >>> news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...
   >>>> Hello everyone-
   >>>>
   >>>> I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know
   >>>> nothing
   >>>> about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me
   >>>> some
   >>>> advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru
   >>>> in
   >>>> general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up
   >>>> to
   >>>> 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of
   >>>> Lemonaid.
   >>>> If you prefer to contact me via email, please write
   >>>> grapevyn DeleteThis @hotmail.com.
   >>>> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
   >>>>
   >>>> Mark
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>> Mark...read ALL the posts in here....ALL of them..good and bad. *I*
   >>> personally HATE Subaru for making such a poorly designed automobile (and
   >>> i
   >>> get flamed in here for speaking my piece).
   >>>
   >>> If you read on you will find that they are NOT reliable in the long run,
   >>> however..there are a few owners that really pile on the miles with no
   >>> problems at all.
   >>> Read the post from people with head gasket failures, how Subaru does
   >>> back
   >>> their product at times, but they fail quite a bit on a lot of people.The
   >>> failures you read about in here come from OWNERS. I DO NOT own one Mark,
   >>> i
   >>> speak from hearing it from people that I know who have them, from
   >>> articles I
   >>> see in print.
   >>> I work in the public service arena, I travel the streets in the Los
   >>> Angeles
   >>> area A LOT. All I see are dead ones, ones with engine fires, ones that
   >>> have
   >>> been abandoned on the freeways.I see very few running around on the
   >>> streets.
   >>> Before you buy, see if your bank will finance one. You might be
   >>> surprised to
   >>> see they won't. (I wonder why that is
   >>> Once again....READ READ AND READ. Don't take my word only, but it's an
   >>> indicator that there IS problems with thier product line. ALL cars will
   >>> have
   >>> some "Quirky" issues, but Subaru has a shitload of them. A lot of them
   >>> that
   >>> should never happen and continue to occur.
   >>> Let Google be your investigative friend. A lot of the guys in here are
   >>> EXTREMELY brand defensive, they don't like people like me warning others
   >>> or
   >>> speaking the truth about Subaru in general......
   >>> So here come the missiles but you have been advised (for what it's
   >>> worth).
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
  >>
  >>
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

mn wrote:
 > Hello everyone-
 >
 > I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
 > about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
 > advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
 > general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
 > 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
 > If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn DeleteThis @hotmail.com.
 > Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Personal experience:

Better quality, comfort, performance
and reliability than Ford, VW, Nissan
and Mitsubishi.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

As well, as far as I know, the 2006 redesign (slightly) is out in a couple
of months, July where I am... wait for that one as well...


"mn" <grapevyn.DeleteThis@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:Ode6e.12061$If1.3113431@read2.cgocable.net...
 > Hello everyone-
 >
 > I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
 > about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
 > advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
 > general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
 > 2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
 > If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn.DeleteThis@hotmail.com.
 > Thanks in advance for your assistance.
 >
 > Mark
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

KLS wrote:
 > On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:26:53 -0400, "mn" <grapevyn.TakeThisOut@cogeco.ca> wrote:
 >
 >
  >>I am contemplating buying a 2005 Forester LL Bean edition but know nothing
  >>about Subaru other than they are AWD. Can anyone out there give me some
  >>advice or tell me of their experience with either a Forester or Subaru in
  >>general? I know that MSN cites engine and pollution control problems up to
  >>2002, but I can find nother past that short of buying a copy of Lemonaid.
  >>If you prefer to contact me via email, please write grapevyn.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com.
  >>Thanks in advance for your assistance.
 >
 >
 > The other thing to consider is whether you want the 6-cyl turbo engine
 > or just the regular 4-cyl; the turbo requires premium gas, but the
 > 4-cyl runs fine on regular octane.

The turbo is a 4 cylinder too. I have an '04 XT and it's great!

Matt<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: 2005 Forester 

I'm always amazed by your posts. I wonder what happens in LA that
makes so many Subarus die there. Here in Atlantic Canada, I see them
every day running all over the place. I used to have a Toyota Camry;
my 98 Subaru wagon is every bit as reliable as the old Camry was.

I personally really like my car, and it has worked very well for the
last 260,000 km. Maybe I'm just lucky. I will admit there are two
things about my car that my wife hates: the driver's seat is too low
(and since I got a Brighton edition, there is no height adjustment),
and when you lock the front doors, you have to lift up on the handle
as you close it (I could have spent more money and bought electric
locks, then this wouldn't be an issue anyway).

So maybe Dr Fafoofnik is right; it must be a horrible piece of poorly
engineered crap.


On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:24:41 GMT, "DR. FAFOOFNlK"
<goaway RemoveThis @spammers.com> wrote:

 >
 >"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" <alckytxn RemoveThis @swbell.not> wrote in message
 >news:aAh6e.84$JJ2.40@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
  >> I'm sure the car buying public appreciates your efforts. Can you direct
  >> me to your warnings about other makes? Say, Jaguar, or Fiat, or
  >> Sterling, or 90s Mercedes or Kia or 80s GM or maybe the mid 90s Ford
  >> Windstars with the turning radius of an oil tanker and tranny troubles,
  >> or the mid 90's Nissan/Q45 V6s with the 3 dollar O-ring that leaks oil
  >> and is a 19.2 hour labor charge to replace or the Toyota V6 sludge
  >> problems or...or...or....
  >>
  >> Carl
  >>
 >Yes Carl..I can! and your right.....
 >Ford Taurus...bad transmission pump resulting in input shaft lockups
 >Ford Taurus...Head gasket failure, resulting in oil leaks
 >Ford Trucks...Cruise Control switch causing underhood fires
 >Ford Truck (early 90's) Ignition switch fires
 >Pontiac Fiero 6 Cyl..engine fires (remember those)
 >VW Beetles (new ones) electrical fires.
 >I will be happy to post more if you like, but it has nothing to do with
 >Subaru....
 >
 >
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Hallan Blaggit wrote:

 > So maybe Dr Fafoofnik is right; it must be a horrible piece of poorly
 > engineered crap.

Nah, the only poorly engineered crap here is the stuff Dr. Rasty-ass is
constantly trying to spread. I'm sure HIS car has NEVER had a SINGLE
problem: as well-versed about the automotive community as he claims to
be, I'm sure he knows just exactly how to pick a make and model that's
trouble free.

The fact he doesn't even own a Subaru yet insists upon spreading hearsay
says something to me, if not to the rest of the world. Personally, I put
on 150-200 miles a day throughout much of SoCal and haven't seen these
piles of dead Subies he's always alluding to. Maybe he found a Subie
junkyard to drive by every day?

I won't try to say Subaru is trouble free, nor would I assert that of
ANY make. I'll even give Dr. Rasty-ass some fuel for his anti-Subaru
fires: mine blew up a week ago! But before he gets started, let me note
the car has just over 360k miles, original engine, and probably would
still be going had I bought it new instead of used AND abused at 209k
miles.

Have at it, Dr. Rasty!

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