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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:28 pm
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Glenn,
2000 Intrepid
2.7L, 79k miles
Trouble Code: P0441
I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went out. I now
have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have indicators
on my scanner for:
EV = Evaporative System Monitor
O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me that the
systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of testing before
they will go out.
1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:45 pm
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"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.RemoveThis@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Glenn,
>
> 2000 Intrepid
> 2.7L, 79k miles
> Trouble Code: P0441
>
> I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went out. I now
> have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have
indicators
> on my scanner for:
>
> EV = Evaporative System Monitor
> O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
>
> I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me that the
> systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of testing
before
> they will go out.
>
> 1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
>
> 2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to the gas
cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind of scan
tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will take a
guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your codes you
also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed. Now the
engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again and pass
them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at different loads
and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is not fix (and
im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass and the lite
will be back on.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:56 pm
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The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool. The
code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my "official"
Chrysler Service Manual states it is:
Evap Purge Flow Monitor; Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected
during evaporative emission system operation.
My scan tool is INNOVA 3110 OBD2 Code Reader
http://www.canobd2.com/tool/ShowImage.asp?IID=3110 . It is the exact same
one that O'Reilly Auto Parts uses for helping their customers as well as an
AutoZone I know of. It's not bad for the home user that just needs more to
go on than a simple light on the dash. It's by no means the $100,000+ one
that the dealership has. There is nothing that can come close to those
beasts.
What would be the most likely cause(s) for this code to come on?
"maxpower" <damnnickname.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.TakeThisOut@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:463a9a11$0$5813$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Glenn,
>>
>> 2000 Intrepid
>> 2.7L, 79k miles
>> Trouble Code: P0441
>>
>> I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went out. I now
>> have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have
> indicators
>> on my scanner for:
>>
>> EV = Evaporative System Monitor
>> O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
>>
>> I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me that the
>> systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of testing
> before
>> they will go out.
>>
>> 1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
>>
>> 2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
> P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to the gas
> cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind of scan
> tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will take a
> guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your codes you
> also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed. Now the
> engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again and pass
> them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at different loads
> and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is not fix
> (and
> im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass and the
> lite
> will be back on.
>
> Glenn
>
> >> Stay informed about: 2002 Intrepid |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:00 am
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"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.RemoveThis@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool. The
> code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my
"official"
> Chrysler Service Manual states it is:
>
> Evap Purge Flow Monitor; Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected
> during evaporative emission system operation.
>
> My scan tool is INNOVA 3110 OBD2 Code Reader
> http://www.canobd2.com/tool/ShowImage.asp?IID=3110 . It is the exact same
> one that O'Reilly Auto Parts uses for helping their customers as well as
an
> AutoZone I know of. It's not bad for the home user that just needs more
to
> go on than a simple light on the dash. It's by no means the $100,000+ one
> that the dealership has. There is nothing that can come close to those
> beasts.
>
> What would be the most likely cause(s) for this code to come on?
>
> "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5LednXibOKV_E6bbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.RemoveThis@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:463a9a11$0$5813$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> Glenn,
> >>
> >> 2000 Intrepid
> >> 2.7L, 79k miles
> >> Trouble Code: P0441
> >>
> >> I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went out. I
now
> >> have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have
> > indicators
> >> on my scanner for:
> >>
> >> EV = Evaporative System Monitor
> >> O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
> >>
> >> I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me that the
> >> systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of testing
> > before
> >> they will go out.
> >>
> >> 1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
> >>
> >> 2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to the
gas
> > cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind of scan
> > tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will take a
> > guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your codes
you
> > also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed. Now the
> > engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again and
pass
> > them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at different
loads
> > and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is not fix
> > (and
> > im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass and the
> > lite
> > will be back on.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
>
>
If your scan tool was able to actuate this solenoid you would be able to see
that the ground side of the solenoid is working. On the hot side you will
have 12 volts engine running. Make sure the vacuum side of the solenoid is
ok, and the other side has no leaks going to the canister. After the leak
detection pump (LDP) test, no air flow through the evaporative system is
detected by the evap monitor. This is how the fault is set. If all looks
good replace the purge valve.
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech >> Stay informed about: 2002 Intrepid |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:05 pm
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Thanks again, Glenn. It's heading to the shop on Monday. I can't even find
the purge valve on this car and have wasted enough of your time just getting
this far. Every time I open the hood on this thing I shiver. Next car is
going to be a Stratus. In fact, I may just take it in and trade it today
for one.
"maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal RemoveThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:463bc7d4$0$18861$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool. The
>> code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my
> "official"
>> Chrysler Service Manual states it is:
>>
>> Evap Purge Flow Monitor; Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected
>> during evaporative emission system operation.
>>
>> My scan tool is INNOVA 3110 OBD2 Code Reader
>> http://www.canobd2.com/tool/ShowImage.asp?IID=3110 . It is the exact
>> same
>> one that O'Reilly Auto Parts uses for helping their customers as well as
> an
>> AutoZone I know of. It's not bad for the home user that just needs more
> to
>> go on than a simple light on the dash. It's by no means the $100,000+
>> one
>> that the dealership has. There is nothing that can come close to those
>> beasts.
>>
>> What would be the most likely cause(s) for this code to come on?
>>
>> "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:5LednXibOKV_E6bbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal RemoveThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:463a9a11$0$5813$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> Glenn,
>> >>
>> >> 2000 Intrepid
>> >> 2.7L, 79k miles
>> >> Trouble Code: P0441
>> >>
>> >> I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went out. I
> now
>> >> have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have
>> > indicators
>> >> on my scanner for:
>> >>
>> >> EV = Evaporative System Monitor
>> >> O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
>> >>
>> >> I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me that the
>> >> systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of testing
>> > before
>> >> they will go out.
>> >>
>> >> 1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
>> >>
>> >> 2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to the
> gas
>> > cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind of
>> > scan
>> > tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will take a
>> > guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your codes
> you
>> > also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed. Now the
>> > engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again and
> pass
>> > them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at different
> loads
>> > and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is not fix
>> > (and
>> > im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass and the
>> > lite
>> > will be back on.
>> >
>> > Glenn
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> If your scan tool was able to actuate this solenoid you would be able to
> see
> that the ground side of the solenoid is working. On the hot side you will
> have 12 volts engine running. Make sure the vacuum side of the solenoid is
> ok, and the other side has no leaks going to the canister. After the leak
> detection pump (LDP) test, no air flow through the evaporative system is
> detected by the evap monitor. This is how the fault is set. If all looks
> good replace the purge valve.
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
>
> >> Stay informed about: 2002 Intrepid |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:58 pm
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"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal DeleteThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks again, Glenn. It's heading to the shop on Monday. I can't even
find
> the purge valve on this car and have wasted enough of your time just
getting
> this far. Every time I open the hood on this thing I shiver. Next car is
> going to be a Stratus. In fact, I may just take it in and trade it today
> for one.
>
> "maxpower" <damnnickname DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eOidnfyRMZLC7qHbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal DeleteThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:463bc7d4$0$18861$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool.
The
> >> code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my
> > "official"
> >> Chrysler Service Manual states it is:
> >>
> >> Evap Purge Flow Monitor; Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected
> >> during evaporative emission system operation.
> >>
> >> My scan tool is INNOVA 3110 OBD2 Code Reader
> >> http://www.canobd2.com/tool/ShowImage.asp?IID=3110 . It is the exact
> >> same
> >> one that O'Reilly Auto Parts uses for helping their customers as well
as
> > an
> >> AutoZone I know of. It's not bad for the home user that just needs
more
> > to
> >> go on than a simple light on the dash. It's by no means the $100,000+
> >> one
> >> that the dealership has. There is nothing that can come close to those
> >> beasts.
> >>
> >> What would be the most likely cause(s) for this code to come on?
> >>
> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:5LednXibOKV_E6bbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >
> >> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal DeleteThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:463a9a11$0$5813$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> >> Glenn,
> >> >>
> >> >> 2000 Intrepid
> >> >> 2.7L, 79k miles
> >> >> Trouble Code: P0441
> >> >>
> >> >> I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went out. I
> > now
> >> >> have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have
> >> > indicators
> >> >> on my scanner for:
> >> >>
> >> >> EV = Evaporative System Monitor
> >> >> O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
> >> >>
> >> >> I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me that
the
> >> >> systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of testing
> >> > before
> >> >> they will go out.
> >> >>
> >> >> 1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
> >> >>
> >> >> 2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to the
> > gas
> >> > cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind of
> >> > scan
> >> > tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will take
a
> >> > guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your
codes
> > you
> >> > also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed. Now
the
> >> > engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again and
> > pass
> >> > them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at different
> > loads
> >> > and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is not
fix
> >> > (and
> >> > im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass and
the
> >> > lite
> >> > will be back on.
> >> >
> >> > Glenn
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> > If your scan tool was able to actuate this solenoid you would be able to
> > see
> > that the ground side of the solenoid is working. On the hot side you
will
> > have 12 volts engine running. Make sure the vacuum side of the solenoid
is
> > ok, and the other side has no leaks going to the canister. After the
leak
> > detection pump (LDP) test, no air flow through the evaporative system is
> > detected by the evap monitor. This is how the fault is set. If all looks
> > good replace the purge valve.
> >
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech
> >
> >
>
>
Don't give up on it!!! I believe the purge valve is just under the master
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:40 pm
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I found it. Funny thing happened when I checked the codes again. There
weren't any stored and I never reset the computer. I wiggled the purge
valve then checked for codes - none. The pre-emissions tests on the reader
also said everything was OK. It's like a different car is being scanned.
Too late anyway. We just traded it in for a new Sebring. Same
motor-smaller car. Love it!!
Thanks again, Glenn.
"maxpower" <damnnickname.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.TakeThisOut@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:463cc716$0$4732$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Thanks again, Glenn. It's heading to the shop on Monday. I can't even
> find
>> the purge valve on this car and have wasted enough of your time just
> getting
>> this far. Every time I open the hood on this thing I shiver. Next car
>> is
>> going to be a Stratus. In fact, I may just take it in and trade it today
>> for one.
>>
>> "maxpower" <damnnickname.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eOidnfyRMZLC7qHbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.TakeThisOut@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:463bc7d4$0$18861$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool.
> The
>> >> code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my
>> > "official"
>> >> Chrysler Service Manual states it is:
>> >>
>> >> Evap Purge Flow Monitor; Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected
>> >> during evaporative emission system operation.
>> >>
>> >> My scan tool is INNOVA 3110 OBD2 Code Reader
>> >> http://www.canobd2.com/tool/ShowImage.asp?IID=3110 . It is the exact
>> >> same
>> >> one that O'Reilly Auto Parts uses for helping their customers as well
> as
>> > an
>> >> AutoZone I know of. It's not bad for the home user that just needs
> more
>> > to
>> >> go on than a simple light on the dash. It's by no means the $100,000+
>> >> one
>> >> that the dealership has. There is nothing that can come close to
>> >> those
>> >> beasts.
>> >>
>> >> What would be the most likely cause(s) for this code to come on?
>> >>
>> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:5LednXibOKV_E6bbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.TakeThisOut@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:463a9a11$0$5813$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> >> Glenn,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2000 Intrepid
>> >> >> 2.7L, 79k miles
>> >> >> Trouble Code: P0441
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went out.
>> >> >> I
>> > now
>> >> >> have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have
>> >> > indicators
>> >> >> on my scanner for:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> EV = Evaporative System Monitor
>> >> >> O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me that
> the
>> >> >> systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of
>> >> >> testing
>> >> > before
>> >> >> they will go out.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to
>> >> > the
>> > gas
>> >> > cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind of
>> >> > scan
>> >> > tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will
>> >> > take
> a
>> >> > guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your
> codes
>> > you
>> >> > also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed. Now
> the
>> >> > engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again and
>> > pass
>> >> > them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at different
>> > loads
>> >> > and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is not
> fix
>> >> > (and
>> >> > im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass and
> the
>> >> > lite
>> >> > will be back on.
>> >> >
>> >> > Glenn
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> > If your scan tool was able to actuate this solenoid you would be able
>> > to
>> > see
>> > that the ground side of the solenoid is working. On the hot side you
> will
>> > have 12 volts engine running. Make sure the vacuum side of the solenoid
> is
>> > ok, and the other side has no leaks going to the canister. After the
> leak
>> > detection pump (LDP) test, no air flow through the evaporative system
>> > is
>> > detected by the evap monitor. This is how the fault is set. If all
>> > looks
>> > good replace the purge valve.
>> >
>> > Glenn Beasley
>> > Chrysler Tech
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> Don't give up on it!!! I believe the purge valve is just under the master
> cylinder on that vehicle.
>
> >> Stay informed about: 2002 Intrepid |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:29 am
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"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.DeleteThis@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I found it. Funny thing happened when I checked the codes again. There
> weren't any stored and I never reset the computer. I wiggled the purge
> valve then checked for codes - none. The pre-emissions tests on the
reader
> also said everything was OK. It's like a different car is being scanned.
>
> Too late anyway. We just traded it in for a new Sebring. Same
> motor-smaller car. Love it!!
>
> Thanks again, Glenn.
>
> "maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:j_Cdnbeh-47FfqHbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.DeleteThis@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:463cc716$0$4732$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> Thanks again, Glenn. It's heading to the shop on Monday. I can't even
> > find
> >> the purge valve on this car and have wasted enough of your time just
> > getting
> >> this far. Every time I open the hood on this thing I shiver. Next car
> >> is
> >> going to be a Stratus. In fact, I may just take it in and trade it
today
> >> for one.
> >>
> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:eOidnfyRMZLC7qHbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >
> >> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.DeleteThis@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:463bc7d4$0$18861$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> >> The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the tool.
> > The
> >> >> code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my
> >> > "official"
> >> >> Chrysler Service Manual states it is:
> >> >>
> >> >> Evap Purge Flow Monitor; Insufficient or excessive vapor flow
detected
> >> >> during evaporative emission system operation.
> >> >>
> >> >> My scan tool is INNOVA 3110 OBD2 Code Reader
> >> >> http://www.canobd2.com/tool/ShowImage.asp?IID=3110 . It is the
exact
> >> >> same
> >> >> one that O'Reilly Auto Parts uses for helping their customers as
well
> > as
> >> > an
> >> >> AutoZone I know of. It's not bad for the home user that just needs
> > more
> >> > to
> >> >> go on than a simple light on the dash. It's by no means the
$100,000+
> >> >> one
> >> >> that the dealership has. There is nothing that can come close to
> >> >> those
> >> >> beasts.
> >> >>
> >> >> What would be the most likely cause(s) for this code to come on?
> >> >>
> >> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:5LednXibOKV_E6bbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal.DeleteThis@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:463a9a11$0$5813$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> >> >> Glenn,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2000 Intrepid
> >> >> >> 2.7L, 79k miles
> >> >> >> Trouble Code: P0441
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went out.
> >> >> >> I
> >> > now
> >> >> >> have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have
> >> >> > indicators
> >> >> >> on my scanner for:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> EV = Evaporative System Monitor
> >> >> >> O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me
that
> > the
> >> >> >> systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of
> >> >> >> testing
> >> >> > before
> >> >> >> they will go out.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to
> >> >> > the
> >> > gas
> >> >> > cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind
of
> >> >> > scan
> >> >> > tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will
> >> >> > take
> > a
> >> >> > guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your
> > codes
> >> > you
> >> >> > also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed. Now
> > the
> >> >> > engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again
and
> >> > pass
> >> >> > them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at different
> >> > loads
> >> >> > and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is
not
> > fix
> >> >> > (and
> >> >> > im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass
and
> > the
> >> >> > lite
> >> >> > will be back on.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Glenn
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > If your scan tool was able to actuate this solenoid you would be able
> >> > to
> >> > see
> >> > that the ground side of the solenoid is working. On the hot side you
> > will
> >> > have 12 volts engine running. Make sure the vacuum side of the
solenoid
> > is
> >> > ok, and the other side has no leaks going to the canister. After the
> > leak
> >> > detection pump (LDP) test, no air flow through the evaporative system
> >> > is
> >> > detected by the evap monitor. This is how the fault is set. If all
> >> > looks
> >> > good replace the purge valve.
> >> >
> >> > Glenn Beasley
> >> > Chrysler Tech
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> > Don't give up on it!!! I believe the purge valve is just under the
master
> > cylinder on that vehicle.
> >
> >
>
>
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Will do and thanks for all your help. This car fits her better than that
big Intrepid did anyway.
"maxpower" <damnnickname DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal DeleteThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:463d3fba$0$27018$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I found it. Funny thing happened when I checked the codes again. There
>> weren't any stored and I never reset the computer. I wiggled the purge
>> valve then checked for codes - none. The pre-emissions tests on the
> reader
>> also said everything was OK. It's like a different car is being scanned.
>>
>> Too late anyway. We just traded it in for a new Sebring. Same
>> motor-smaller car. Love it!!
>>
>> Thanks again, Glenn.
>>
>> "maxpower" <damnnickname DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:j_Cdnbeh-47FfqHbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal DeleteThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:463cc716$0$4732$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> Thanks again, Glenn. It's heading to the shop on Monday. I can't
>> >> even
>> > find
>> >> the purge valve on this car and have wasted enough of your time just
>> > getting
>> >> this far. Every time I open the hood on this thing I shiver. Next
>> >> car
>> >> is
>> >> going to be a Stratus. In fact, I may just take it in and trade it
> today
>> >> for one.
>> >>
>> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:eOidnfyRMZLC7qHbnZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal DeleteThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:463bc7d4$0$18861$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> >> The EV and O lights are "pre-emissions test" indicators on the
>> >> >> tool.
>> > The
>> >> >> code is back as we both expected and it brings up is P0441 and my
>> >> > "official"
>> >> >> Chrysler Service Manual states it is:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Evap Purge Flow Monitor; Insufficient or excessive vapor flow
> detected
>> >> >> during evaporative emission system operation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My scan tool is INNOVA 3110 OBD2 Code Reader
>> >> >> http://www.canobd2.com/tool/ShowImage.asp?IID=3110 . It is the
> exact
>> >> >> same
>> >> >> one that O'Reilly Auto Parts uses for helping their customers as
> well
>> > as
>> >> > an
>> >> >> AutoZone I know of. It's not bad for the home user that just needs
>> > more
>> >> > to
>> >> >> go on than a simple light on the dash. It's by no means the
> $100,000+
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> that the dealership has. There is nothing that can come close to
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> beasts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What would be the most likely cause(s) for this code to come on?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:5LednXibOKV_E6bbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal DeleteThis @tx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:463a9a11$0$5813$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> >> >> Glenn,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 2000 Intrepid
>> >> >> >> 2.7L, 79k miles
>> >> >> >> Trouble Code: P0441
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I tightened the gas cap and cleared the codes. The MIL went
>> >> >> >> out.
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> > now
>> >> >> >> have no codes in the display of my scan tool, yet, but I do have
>> >> >> > indicators
>> >> >> >> on my scanner for:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> EV = Evaporative System Monitor
>> >> >> >> O = Oxygen Sensor Monitor
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I suspect that the indicators on my scan tool are telling me
> that
>> > the
>> >> >> >> systems indicating errors need to go through a full cycle of
>> >> >> >> testing
>> >> >> > before
>> >> >> >> they will go out.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 1.) Could all this be caused by a loose gas cap?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 2.) Is my assumption on the test cycle completion correct?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > P0441 is NOT an LDP evaporative emission fault and not related to
>> >> >> > the
>> >> > gas
>> >> >> > cap. It is a purge control valve fault. I have no idea what kind
> of
>> >> >> > scan
>> >> >> > tool you are using. All scan tools are not the same. But I will
>> >> >> > take
>> > a
>> >> >> > guess on what I think you are talking about. If you cleared your
>> > codes
>> >> > you
>> >> >> > also wiped out all the monitors that have been run and passed.
>> >> >> > Now
>> > the
>> >> >> > engine controller is going to have to run all the monitors again
> and
>> >> > pass
>> >> >> > them. you may have to drive this vehicle several days at
>> >> >> > different
>> >> > loads
>> >> >> > and speeds to get them to pass. If the purge control problem is
> not
>> > fix
>> >> >> > (and
>> >> >> > im sure it isn't with a loose cap) that monitor will never pass
> and
>> > the
>> >> >> > lite
>> >> >> > will be back on.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Glenn
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > If your scan tool was able to actuate this solenoid you would be
>> >> > able
>> >> > to
>> >> > see
>> >> > that the ground side of the solenoid is working. On the hot side you
>> > will
>> >> > have 12 volts engine running. Make sure the vacuum side of the
> solenoid
>> > is
>> >> > ok, and the other side has no leaks going to the canister. After the
>> > leak
>> >> > detection pump (LDP) test, no air flow through the evaporative
>> >> > system
>> >> > is
>> >> > detected by the evap monitor. This is how the fault is set. If all
>> >> > looks
>> >> > good replace the purge valve.
>> >> >
>> >> > Glenn Beasley
>> >> > Chrysler Tech
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Don't give up on it!!! I believe the purge valve is just under the
> master
>> > cylinder on that vehicle.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> Happy Motoring!!
>
> >> Stay informed about: 2002 Intrepid |
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