2001 T&C - automatic door stops working

"maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated problems with
>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open when
>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It appears to
>> be
>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in warmer
>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
> permanent
>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent fix.
>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments
>> myself
>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and I'm
> tired
>> of bringing it in for service.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Luke
>>
>>
> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to tell the
> door
> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is bad the
> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just doesn't move
> in
> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs and
> outputs
> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness that
> runs
> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally the ground
> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the harness,
> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in the
> harness.
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
>
>

Hi Glen,

I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my chrysler
dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan and find
any problems.

But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a 2001 as
well, not that that means anything.
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ng_reader wrote:
> "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:mtidnSVEupZZsoHanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated problems with
>>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open when
>>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It appears to
>>> be
>>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in warmer
>>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
>> permanent
>>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent fix.
>>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments
>>> myself
>>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and I'm
>> tired
>>> of bringing it in for service.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Luke
>>>
>>>
>> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to tell the
>> door
>> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is bad the
>> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just doesn't move
>> in
>> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs and
>> outputs
>> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness that
>> runs
>> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally the ground
>> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the harness,
>> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in the
>> harness.
>>
>> Glenn Beasley
>> Chrysler Tech
>>
>>
>
> Hi Glen,
>
> I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my chrysler
> dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan and find
> any problems.
>
> But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a 2001 as
> well, not that that means anything.
>
>
>

I believe the "child protection" is built into the motor,when the motor
detects resistance it stops as if something is in the door. in colder
weather the grease inside the motor causes too much resistance and stops
the motor. if I remember correctly there was some info from Chrysler
that said the auto doors may not operate at all in temps below 32F.

the OP's issue could be the latch as Glenn suggested. to add to Glenn's
suggestions I believe there are more than one technical service bulletin
for changing the weather strip at the back of the door to an updated
weather strip (I haven't seen this fix the issue) and on some a door
adjustment is needed because the door glass hits the rear window glass
when opening. I also have lubricated the door opening weatherstrips (on
the body) and stopped this issue on doors that don't get used much.(the
weatherstrips stick to the door)
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"TNKev" <ArchbishoptotheUberPope.RemoveThis@mydesktoday.haha> wrote in message
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> ng_reader wrote:
> > "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:P9KdnQvMQ6s2coHanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:mtidnSVEupZZsoHanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated problems
with
> >>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open when
> >>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It appears
to
> >>> be
> >>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in
warmer
> >>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
> >> permanent
> >>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent
fix.
> >>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments
> >>> myself
> >>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and I'm
> >> tired
> >>> of bringing it in for service.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Luke
> >>>
> >>>
> >> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to tell the
> >> door
> >> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is bad
the
> >> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just doesn't
move
> >> in
> >> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs and
> >> outputs
> >> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness that
> >> runs
> >> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally the
ground
> >> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the
harness,
> >> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in the
> >> harness.
> >>
> >> Glenn Beasley
> >> Chrysler Tech
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hi Glen,
> >
> > I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my chrysler
> > dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan and
find
> > any problems.
> >
> > But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a 2001
as
> > well, not that that means anything.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I believe the "child protection" is built into the motor,when the motor
> detects resistance it stops as if something is in the door. in colder
> weather the grease inside the motor causes too much resistance and stops
> the motor. if I remember correctly there was some info from Chrysler
> that said the auto doors may not operate at all in temps below 32F.

>
> the OP's issue could be the latch as Glenn suggested. to add to Glenn's
> suggestions I believe there are more than one technical service bulletin
> for changing the weather strip at the back of the door to an updated
> weather strip (I haven't seen this fix the issue) and on some a door
> adjustment is needed because the door glass hits the rear window glass
> when opening. I also have lubricated the door opening weatherstrips (on
> the body) and stopped this issue on doors that don't get used much.(the
> weatherstrips stick to the door)

There was a TSB that called for removing excess metal from the body, this
corrected a problem when the door was closing it would pop back open again.
The temp that will not allow the doors to work when cold is alot colder then
32 degrees, I think it was like 17 degrees or colder. The motors do not have
grease in them but the bearing will seize up and cause the doors to be very
stiff when opening them or closing them manually
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first thing to do is get the codes form the door module then go from there but
i'm thinking the clutch is slipping once it starts to open

Luke Packard wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated problems with
> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open when
> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It appears to be
> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in warmer
> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a permanent
> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent fix.
> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments myself
> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and I'm tired
> of bringing it in for service.
>
> Thanks,
> Luke
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"philthy" <dbrider DeleteThis @cac.net> wrote in message
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> first thing to do is get the codes form the door module then go from there
but
> i'm thinking the clutch is slipping once it starts to open
>
> Luke Packard wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated problems
with
> > the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open when
> > triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It appears to
be
> > related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in
warmer
> > months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
permanent
> > solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent fix.
> > I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments
myself
> > as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and I'm
tired
> > of bringing it in for service.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Luke
>
If the motor had a clutch problem the OP would not only complain about the
door not opening, he would be hearing the motor constantly spinning.
 >> Stay informed about: 2001 T&C - automatic door stops working 

Thanks for all the replies. The slider unlatches but then stops. Once open
it will automatically close properly most of the time but sometimes it
doesn't fully complete the final latch/lock operation. Could this be
related? It seems to start giving us problems when the temp drops into 40s.
Maxpower's comment about the the bearings seizing up is interesting. I have
noticed the door is more difficult to open/close manually in colder weather
as well.

Does this theory make sense? The air temperature drop increases the bearing
lube viscosity which creates enough resistance trigger the safety mechanism
which stops the door from automatically opening? Could the same stiff
bearing condition also explain why the door fails to fully latch when closed
automatically?

It's interesting to note that this is only happenning with one of the
sliding doors.

Thanks for the continued interest in helping me sort this out.

Luke

"maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "TNKev" <ArchbishoptotheUberPope.DeleteThis@mydesktoday.haha> wrote in message
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>> ng_reader wrote:
>> > "maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:P9KdnQvMQ6s2coHanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:mtidnSVEupZZsoHanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated problems
> with
>> >>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open when
>> >>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It appears
> to
>> >>> be
>> >>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in
> warmer
>> >>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
>> >> permanent
>> >>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent
> fix.
>> >>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments
>> >>> myself
>> >>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and
>> >>> I'm
>> >> tired
>> >>> of bringing it in for service.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Luke
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to tell the
>> >> door
>> >> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is bad
> the
>> >> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just doesn't
> move
>> >> in
>> >> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs and
>> >> outputs
>> >> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness that
>> >> runs
>> >> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally the
> ground
>> >> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the
> harness,
>> >> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in the
>> >> harness.
>> >>
>> >> Glenn Beasley
>> >> Chrysler Tech
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Hi Glen,
>> >
>> > I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my chrysler
>> > dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan and
> find
>> > any problems.
>> >
>> > But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a 2001
> as
>> > well, not that that means anything.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I believe the "child protection" is built into the motor,when the motor
>> detects resistance it stops as if something is in the door. in colder
>> weather the grease inside the motor causes too much resistance and stops
>> the motor. if I remember correctly there was some info from Chrysler
>> that said the auto doors may not operate at all in temps below 32F.
>
>>
>> the OP's issue could be the latch as Glenn suggested. to add to Glenn's
>> suggestions I believe there are more than one technical service bulletin
>> for changing the weather strip at the back of the door to an updated
>> weather strip (I haven't seen this fix the issue) and on some a door
>> adjustment is needed because the door glass hits the rear window glass
>> when opening. I also have lubricated the door opening weatherstrips (on
>> the body) and stopped this issue on doors that don't get used much.(the
>> weatherstrips stick to the door)
>
> There was a TSB that called for removing excess metal from the body, this
> corrected a problem when the door was closing it would pop back open
> again.
> The temp that will not allow the doors to work when cold is alot colder
> then
> 32 degrees, I think it was like 17 degrees or colder. The motors do not
> have
> grease in them but the bearing will seize up and cause the doors to be
> very
> stiff when opening them or closing them manually
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: 2001 T&C - automatic door stops working 

"Luke Packard" <lukepackard.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:W7idnQb8JsPTvL3anZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Thanks for all the replies. The slider unlatches but then stops. Once
> open it will automatically close properly most of the time but sometimes
> it doesn't fully complete the final latch/lock operation. Could this be
> related? It seems to start giving us problems when the temp drops into
> 40s. Maxpower's comment about the the bearings seizing up is interesting.
> I have noticed the door is more difficult to open/close manually in colder
> weather as well.
>
> Does this theory make sense? The air temperature drop increases the
> bearing lube viscosity which creates enough resistance trigger the safety
> mechanism which stops the door from automatically opening? Could the same
> stiff bearing condition also explain why the door fails to fully latch
> when closed automatically?
>
> It's interesting to note that this is only happenning with one of the
> sliding doors.
>
> Thanks for the continued interest in helping me sort this out.
>
> Luke
>

My email address is real, in case you ever get a definitive answer. I think
we are in the same boat.

Just when you *didn't* want to get out of the car on that frigid day to
close the door, is exactly *the* day when you have to.


> "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2_-dnUScrvOXB4LanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> "TNKev" <ArchbishoptotheUberPope.RemoveThis@mydesktoday.haha> wrote in message
>> news:ffntgj$6ce$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> ng_reader wrote:
>>> > "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:P9KdnQvMQ6s2coHanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> >> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:mtidnSVEupZZsoHanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> >>> Hello,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated problems
>> with
>>> >>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open when
>>> >>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It appears
>> to
>>> >>> be
>>> >>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in
>> warmer
>>> >>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
>>> >> permanent
>>> >>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent
>> fix.
>>> >>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments
>>> >>> myself
>>> >>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and
>>> >>> I'm
>>> >> tired
>>> >>> of bringing it in for service.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>> Luke
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to tell
>>> >> the
>>> >> door
>>> >> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is bad
>> the
>>> >> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just doesn't
>> move
>>> >> in
>>> >> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs and
>>> >> outputs
>>> >> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness
>>> >> that
>>> >> runs
>>> >> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally the
>> ground
>>> >> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the
>> harness,
>>> >> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in the
>>> >> harness.
>>> >>
>>> >> Glenn Beasley
>>> >> Chrysler Tech
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Hi Glen,
>>> >
>>> > I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my chrysler
>>> > dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan and
>> find
>>> > any problems.
>>> >
>>> > But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a 2001
>> as
>>> > well, not that that means anything.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> I believe the "child protection" is built into the motor,when the motor
>>> detects resistance it stops as if something is in the door. in colder
>>> weather the grease inside the motor causes too much resistance and stops
>>> the motor. if I remember correctly there was some info from Chrysler
>>> that said the auto doors may not operate at all in temps below 32F.
>>
>>>
>>> the OP's issue could be the latch as Glenn suggested. to add to Glenn's
>>> suggestions I believe there are more than one technical service bulletin
>>> for changing the weather strip at the back of the door to an updated
>>> weather strip (I haven't seen this fix the issue) and on some a door
>>> adjustment is needed because the door glass hits the rear window glass
>>> when opening. I also have lubricated the door opening weatherstrips (on
>>> the body) and stopped this issue on doors that don't get used much.(the
>>> weatherstrips stick to the door)
>>
>> There was a TSB that called for removing excess metal from the body, this
>> corrected a problem when the door was closing it would pop back open
>> again.
>> The temp that will not allow the doors to work when cold is alot colder
>> then
>> 32 degrees, I think it was like 17 degrees or colder. The motors do not
>> have
>> grease in them but the bearing will seize up and cause the doors to be
>> very
>> stiff when opening them or closing them manually
>>
>>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: 2001 T&C - automatic door stops working 

maxpower wrote:
> "philthy" <dbrider.RemoveThis@cac.net> wrote in message
> news:471FD772.A54D0D81@cac.net...
>> first thing to do is get the codes form the door module then go from there
> but
>> i'm thinking the clutch is slipping once it starts to open
>>
>> Luke Packard wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated problems
> with
>>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open when
>>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It appears to
> be
>>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in
> warmer
>>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
> permanent
>>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent fix.
>>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments
> myself
>>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and I'm
> tired
>>> of bringing it in for service.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Luke
> If the motor had a clutch problem the OP would not only complain about the
> door not opening, he would be hearing the motor constantly spinning.
>
>

a lot of the time when there is a clutch issue the door is difficult to
open as well.
 >> Stay informed about: 2001 T&C - automatic door stops working 

"Luke Packard" <lukepackard RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:W7idnQb8JsPTvL3anZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Thanks for all the replies. The slider unlatches but then stops. Once
open
> it will automatically close properly most of the time but sometimes it
> doesn't fully complete the final latch/lock operation. Could this be
> related? It seems to start giving us problems when the temp drops into
40s.
> Maxpower's comment about the the bearings seizing up is interesting. I
have
> noticed the door is more difficult to open/close manually in colder
weather
> as well.
>
> Does this theory make sense? The air temperature drop increases the
bearing
> lube viscosity which creates enough resistance trigger the safety
mechanism
> which stops the door from automatically opening? Could the same stiff
> bearing condition also explain why the door fails to fully latch when
closed
> automatically?
>
> It's interesting to note that this is only happenning with one of the
> sliding doors.
>
> Thanks for the continued interest in helping me sort this out.
>
> Luke
>
> "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2_-dnUScrvOXB4LanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "TNKev" <ArchbishoptotheUberPope RemoveThis @mydesktoday.haha> wrote in message
> > news:ffntgj$6ce$1@news.datemas.de...
> >> ng_reader wrote:
> >> > "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:P9KdnQvMQ6s2coHanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:mtidnSVEupZZsoHanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >>> Hello,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated
problems
> > with
> >> >>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open
when
> >> >>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It
appears
> > to
> >> >>> be
> >> >>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in
> > warmer
> >> >>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
> >> >> permanent
> >> >>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any permanent
> > fix.
> >> >>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part replacments
> >> >>> myself
> >> >>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and
> >> >>> I'm
> >> >> tired
> >> >>> of bringing it in for service.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>> Luke
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to tell
the
> >> >> door
> >> >> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is
bad
> > the
> >> >> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just doesn't
> > move
> >> >> in
> >> >> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs and
> >> >> outputs
> >> >> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness
that
> >> >> runs
> >> >> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally the
> > ground
> >> >> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the
> > harness,
> >> >> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in the
> >> >> harness.
> >> >>
> >> >> Glenn Beasley
> >> >> Chrysler Tech
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >
> >> > I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my chrysler
> >> > dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan
and
> > find
> >> > any problems.
> >> >
> >> > But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a
2001
> > as
> >> > well, not that that means anything.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> I believe the "child protection" is built into the motor,when the motor
> >> detects resistance it stops as if something is in the door. in colder
> >> weather the grease inside the motor causes too much resistance and
stops
> >> the motor. if I remember correctly there was some info from Chrysler
> >> that said the auto doors may not operate at all in temps below 32F.
> >
> >>
> >> the OP's issue could be the latch as Glenn suggested. to add to Glenn's
> >> suggestions I believe there are more than one technical service
bulletin
> >> for changing the weather strip at the back of the door to an updated
> >> weather strip (I haven't seen this fix the issue) and on some a door
> >> adjustment is needed because the door glass hits the rear window glass
> >> when opening. I also have lubricated the door opening weatherstrips (on
> >> the body) and stopped this issue on doors that don't get used much.(the
> >> weatherstrips stick to the door)
> >
> > There was a TSB that called for removing excess metal from the body,
this
> > corrected a problem when the door was closing it would pop back open
> > again.
> > The temp that will not allow the doors to work when cold is alot colder
> > then
> > 32 degrees, I think it was like 17 degrees or colder. The motors do not
> > have
> > grease in them but the bearing will seize up and cause the doors to be
> > very
> > stiff when opening them or closing them manually
> >
> >
>
>
If you are mechanically inclined, disconnect the connector on both ends of
the track harness. (you don't need to remove the harness) and using an ohm
meter check continuity at all 3 (black) ground wires in the harness.
(checking for broken wire) you do not have a motor problem.... you cant
check the switches on the latch because you have no scan tool. The start is
going to be checking the harness.

Glenn
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"ng_reader" <wilgrow_co.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:W7idnQb8JsPTvL3anZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Thanks for all the replies. The slider unlatches but then stops. Once
> > open it will automatically close properly most of the time but sometimes
> > it doesn't fully complete the final latch/lock operation. Could this be
> > related? It seems to start giving us problems when the temp drops into
> > 40s. Maxpower's comment about the the bearings seizing up is
interesting.
> > I have noticed the door is more difficult to open/close manually in
colder
> > weather as well.
> >
> > Does this theory make sense? The air temperature drop increases the
> > bearing lube viscosity which creates enough resistance trigger the
safety
> > mechanism which stops the door from automatically opening? Could the
same
> > stiff bearing condition also explain why the door fails to fully latch
> > when closed automatically?
> >
> > It's interesting to note that this is only happenning with one of the
> > sliding doors.
> >
> > Thanks for the continued interest in helping me sort this out.
> >
> > Luke
> >
>
> My email address is real, in case you ever get a definitive answer. I
think
> we are in the same boat.
>
> Just when you *didn't* want to get out of the car on that frigid day to
> close the door, is exactly *the* day when you have to.
>
>
> > "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:2_-dnUScrvOXB4LanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>
> >> "TNKev" <ArchbishoptotheUberPope.RemoveThis@mydesktoday.haha> wrote in message
> >> news:ffntgj$6ce$1@news.datemas.de...
> >>> ng_reader wrote:
> >>> > "maxpower" <damnnickname.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> > news:P9KdnQvMQ6s2coHanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>> >> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:mtidnSVEupZZsoHanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >>> >>> Hello,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated
problems
> >> with
> >>> >>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open
when
> >>> >>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It
appears
> >> to
> >>> >>> be
> >>> >>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in
> >> warmer
> >>> >>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
> >>> >> permanent
> >>> >>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any
permanent
> >> fix.
> >>> >>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part
replacments
> >>> >>> myself
> >>> >>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and
> >>> >>> I'm
> >>> >> tired
> >>> >>> of bringing it in for service.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Thanks,
> >>> >>> Luke
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to tell
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> door
> >>> >> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is
bad
> >> the
> >>> >> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just doesn't
> >> move
> >>> >> in
> >>> >> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs
and
> >>> >> outputs
> >>> >> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness
> >>> >> that
> >>> >> runs
> >>> >> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally the
> >> ground
> >>> >> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the
> >> harness,
> >>> >> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in
the
> >>> >> harness.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Glenn Beasley
> >>> >> Chrysler Tech
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi Glen,
> >>> >
> >>> > I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my
chrysler
> >>> > dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan
and
> >> find
> >>> > any problems.
> >>> >
> >>> > But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a
2001
> >> as
> >>> > well, not that that means anything.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> I believe the "child protection" is built into the motor,when the
motor
> >>> detects resistance it stops as if something is in the door. in colder
> >>> weather the grease inside the motor causes too much resistance and
stops
> >>> the motor. if I remember correctly there was some info from Chrysler
> >>> that said the auto doors may not operate at all in temps below 32F.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> the OP's issue could be the latch as Glenn suggested. to add to
Glenn's
> >>> suggestions I believe there are more than one technical service
bulletin
> >>> for changing the weather strip at the back of the door to an updated
> >>> weather strip (I haven't seen this fix the issue) and on some a door
> >>> adjustment is needed because the door glass hits the rear window glass
> >>> when opening. I also have lubricated the door opening weatherstrips
(on
> >>> the body) and stopped this issue on doors that don't get used
much.(the
> >>> weatherstrips stick to the door)
> >>
> >> There was a TSB that called for removing excess metal from the body,
this
> >> corrected a problem when the door was closing it would pop back open
> >> again.
> >> The temp that will not allow the doors to work when cold is alot colder
> >> then
> >> 32 degrees, I think it was like 17 degrees or colder. The motors do not
> >> have
> >> grease in them but the bearing will seize up and cause the doors to be
> >> very
> >> stiff when opening them or closing them manually
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
One of you guys are going to have to get on your knees and check the harness
and e mail each other for the findings

Glenn
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it isnt the clutch problem that makes the door hard to open, its the
bearing seizing up. The next time you have a motor that is stiff, take it
aprat and see how it works. The clutch is nothing but a magnet engergized
and holding the clutch wheel. when no current is flowing to the magnet the
clutch freewheels. The bearing is stiff causing the door to be hard to
open

Glenn

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"maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:W7idnQb8JsPTvL3anZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Thanks for all the replies. The slider unlatches but then stops. Once
> open
>> it will automatically close properly most of the time but sometimes it
>> doesn't fully complete the final latch/lock operation. Could this be
>> related? It seems to start giving us problems when the temp drops into
> 40s.
>> Maxpower's comment about the the bearings seizing up is interesting. I
> have
>> noticed the door is more difficult to open/close manually in colder
> weather
>> as well.
>>
>> Does this theory make sense? The air temperature drop increases the
> bearing
>> lube viscosity which creates enough resistance trigger the safety
> mechanism
>> which stops the door from automatically opening? Could the same stiff
>> bearing condition also explain why the door fails to fully latch when
> closed
>> automatically?
>>
>> It's interesting to note that this is only happenning with one of the
>> sliding doors.
>>
>> Thanks for the continued interest in helping me sort this out.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> "maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:2_-dnUScrvOXB4LanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "TNKev" <ArchbishoptotheUberPope.DeleteThis@mydesktoday.haha> wrote in message
>> > news:ffntgj$6ce$1@news.datemas.de...
>> >> ng_reader wrote:
>> >> > "maxpower" <damnnickname.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:P9KdnQvMQ6s2coHanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> >> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:mtidnSVEupZZsoHanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> >>> Hello,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated
> problems
>> > with
>> >> >>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open
> when
>> >> >>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It
> appears
>> > to
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much) in
>> > warmer
>> >> >>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what a
>> >> >> permanent
>> >> >>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any
>> >> >>> permanent
>> > fix.
>> >> >>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part
>> >> >>> replacments
>> >> >>> myself
>> >> >>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car and
>> >> >>> I'm
>> >> >> tired
>> >> >>> of bringing it in for service.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks,
>> >> >>> Luke
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to tell
> the
>> >> >> door
>> >> >> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is
> bad
>> > the
>> >> >> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just doesn't
>> > move
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> outputs
>> >> >> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness
> that
>> >> >> runs
>> >> >> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally the
>> > ground
>> >> >> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the
>> > harness,
>> >> >> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> harness.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Glenn Beasley
>> >> >> Chrysler Tech
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Glen,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my
>> >> > chrysler
>> >> > dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan
> and
>> > find
>> >> > any problems.
>> >> >
>> >> > But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a
> 2001
>> > as
>> >> > well, not that that means anything.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I believe the "child protection" is built into the motor,when the
>> >> motor
>> >> detects resistance it stops as if something is in the door. in colder
>> >> weather the grease inside the motor causes too much resistance and
> stops
>> >> the motor. if I remember correctly there was some info from Chrysler
>> >> that said the auto doors may not operate at all in temps below 32F.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> the OP's issue could be the latch as Glenn suggested. to add to
>> >> Glenn's
>> >> suggestions I believe there are more than one technical service
> bulletin
>> >> for changing the weather strip at the back of the door to an updated
>> >> weather strip (I haven't seen this fix the issue) and on some a door
>> >> adjustment is needed because the door glass hits the rear window glass
>> >> when opening. I also have lubricated the door opening weatherstrips
>> >> (on
>> >> the body) and stopped this issue on doors that don't get used
>> >> much.(the
>> >> weatherstrips stick to the door)
>> >
>> > There was a TSB that called for removing excess metal from the body,
> this
>> > corrected a problem when the door was closing it would pop back open
>> > again.
>> > The temp that will not allow the doors to work when cold is alot colder
>> > then
>> > 32 degrees, I think it was like 17 degrees or colder. The motors do not
>> > have
>> > grease in them but the bearing will seize up and cause the doors to be
>> > very
>> > stiff when opening them or closing them manually
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> If you are mechanically inclined, disconnect the connector on both ends of
> the track harness. (you don't need to remove the harness) and using an ohm
> meter check continuity at all 3 (black) ground wires in the harness.
> (checking for broken wire) you do not have a motor problem.... you cant
> check the switches on the latch because you have no scan tool. The start
> is
> going to be checking the harness.
>
> Glenn
>
>

Hi Glenn,

I read both your posts.

While cleaning recently I saw the chain that looped underneath, but that's
not the harness. So, Perhaps I better look closer for it. As for electrical
issues. I don't have an Ohm meter. I'd like one, but, I'm even sure what an
ohm is. I know what an "owe-me" is. That's when you do a favor for someone
and they owe you one back.

But, I am pretty sure these are dis-similar.

Look, I've lived like this for 2 years now. If it gets worse, I will get
more pissed off, sure.
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>
> "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Luke Packard" <lukepackard RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:W7idnQb8JsPTvL3anZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Thanks for all the replies. The slider unlatches but then stops. Once
> > open
> >> it will automatically close properly most of the time but sometimes it
> >> doesn't fully complete the final latch/lock operation. Could this be
> >> related? It seems to start giving us problems when the temp drops into
> > 40s.
> >> Maxpower's comment about the the bearings seizing up is interesting. I
> > have
> >> noticed the door is more difficult to open/close manually in colder
> > weather
> >> as well.
> >>
> >> Does this theory make sense? The air temperature drop increases the
> > bearing
> >> lube viscosity which creates enough resistance trigger the safety
> > mechanism
> >> which stops the door from automatically opening? Could the same stiff
> >> bearing condition also explain why the door fails to fully latch when
> > closed
> >> automatically?
> >>
> >> It's interesting to note that this is only happenning with one of the
> >> sliding doors.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the continued interest in helping me sort this out.
> >>
> >> Luke
> >>
> >> "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2_-dnUScrvOXB4LanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >
> >> > "TNKev" <ArchbishoptotheUberPope RemoveThis @mydesktoday.haha> wrote in message
> >> > news:ffntgj$6ce$1@news.datemas.de...
> >> >> ng_reader wrote:
> >> >> > "maxpower" <damnnickname RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:P9KdnQvMQ6s2coHanZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >> >> "Luke Packard" <lukepackard RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:mtidnSVEupZZsoHanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >> >>> Hello,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I have a 2001 Town & Country Limited and we've had repeated
> > problems
> >> > with
> >> >> >>> the automatic doors. Right now one of the doors starts to open
> > when
> >> >> >>> triggered but stops as soo as it releases from the lock. It
> > appears
> >> > to
> >> >> >>> be
> >> >> >>> related to cold weather as we don't have this problem (as much)
in
> >> > warmer
> >> >> >>> months. Does anyone know why we're having this problem and what
a
> >> >> >> permanent
> >> >> >>> solution is? The dealer has not been able to perform any
> >> >> >>> permanent
> >> > fix.
> >> >> >>> I'd like to be able to perform the adjustments and part
> >> >> >>> replacments
> >> >> >>> myself
> >> >> >>> as this appears to be one of the weakest points with this car
and
> >> >> >>> I'm
> >> >> >> tired
> >> >> >>> of bringing it in for service.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >> >>> Luke
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> One of 2 things wrong, The door latch has switches on them to
tell
> > the
> >> >> >> door
> >> >> >> module if the door is opened or closed. If one of the switches is
> > bad
> >> > the
> >> >> >> door will not know what to do when it pops open, so it just
doesn't
> >> > move
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> any direction. A scan tool will be needed to see what the inputs
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> outputs
> >> >> >> are doing to verify this. The other common problem is the harness
> > that
> >> >> >> runs
> >> >> >> inside the bottom door track may have a broken wire, (Normally
the
> >> > ground
> >> >> >> wire. Black wire). You would have to disconnect both ends of the
> >> > harness,
> >> >> >> using an ohm meter check to see if there are any broken wires in
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> harness.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Glenn Beasley
> >> >> >> Chrysler Tech
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi Glen,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think I posed this same question, only to find out that my
> >> >> > chrysler
> >> >> > dealer, no matter how many times I took it to them, could not scan
> > and
> >> > find
> >> >> > any problems.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But, it definitely has to do with the cold weather. And mine is a
> > 2001
> >> > as
> >> >> > well, not that that means anything.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I believe the "child protection" is built into the motor,when the
> >> >> motor
> >> >> detects resistance it stops as if something is in the door. in
colder
> >> >> weather the grease inside the motor causes too much resistance and
> > stops
> >> >> the motor. if I remember correctly there was some info from Chrysler
> >> >> that said the auto doors may not operate at all in temps below 32F.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> the OP's issue could be the latch as Glenn suggested. to add to
> >> >> Glenn's
> >> >> suggestions I believe there are more than one technical service
> > bulletin
> >> >> for changing the weather strip at the back of the door to an updated
> >> >> weather strip (I haven't seen this fix the issue) and on some a door
> >> >> adjustment is needed because the door glass hits the rear window
glass
> >> >> when opening. I also have lubricated the door opening weatherstrips
> >> >> (on
> >> >> the body) and stopped this issue on doors that don't get used
> >> >> much.(the
> >> >> weatherstrips stick to the door)
> >> >
> >> > There was a TSB that called for removing excess metal from the body,
> > this
> >> > corrected a problem when the door was closing it would pop back open
> >> > again.
> >> > The temp that will not allow the doors to work when cold is alot
colder
> >> > then
> >> > 32 degrees, I think it was like 17 degrees or colder. The motors do
not
> >> > have
> >> > grease in them but the bearing will seize up and cause the doors to
be
> >> > very
> >> > stiff when opening them or closing them manually
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> > If you are mechanically inclined, disconnect the connector on both ends
of
> > the track harness. (you don't need to remove the harness) and using an
ohm
> > meter check continuity at all 3 (black) ground wires in the harness.
> > (checking for broken wire) you do not have a motor problem.... you cant
> > check the switches on the latch because you have no scan tool. The start
> > is
> > going to be checking the harness.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> I read both your posts.
>
> While cleaning recently I saw the chain that looped underneath, but that's
> not the harness. So, Perhaps I better look closer for it. As for
electrical
> issues. I don't have an Ohm meter. I'd like one, but, I'm even sure what
an
> ohm is. I know what an "owe-me" is. That's when you do a favor for
someone
> and they owe you one back.
>
> But, I am pretty sure these are dis-similar.
>
> Look, I've lived like this for 2 years now. If it gets worse, I will get
> more pissed off, sure.
>
>
The chain that looped underneath is the wire harness. The purpose of the
track (chain) is to keep the wires in a nice roll as the door opens and
closes. The harness is inside the chain.

Glenn
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