2001 F250 SD 5 speed trans fluid

On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:14:21 -0700 (PDT), FjLee
<carkenord.RemoveThis@juno.com> wrote:

>I have a 2001 F250 SD gas, with 5 speed manual tranny.
>
>Both the manual and the tag on the tranny says to use " Ford part #
>E6AZ-19582-B MERCON SYNTHETIC ATF or equivalent. "
>
>It's the "or equivalent" that I am interested in, since the Ford
>product will cost too much.
>
>Exactly what do I look for when I go into my local discount auto parts
>store?
>
>A name brand example would sure be helpful.
>
>Thank you...... Lee in Denver


Mercon V is Ford's version of synthetic automatic
transmission fluid. There are several brands on the shelf
at Autozone, Advance Auto, O"Reilly and all the others that
are the Motorcraft Mercon V fluid or some other brand
meeting this spec. I would not use a fluid other than the
Mercon V fluid spec because a regular trans gear oil will
make the trans hard shifting and a lessor fluid mary result
in acellerated wear and increased heat. This is a matter of
selecting a brand you trust of the Mercon V spec whether it
be Valvoline, Motorcraft, Mobil, Coastal, Shell, Penzoil or
whatever. Ther are several other suppliers of this spec.
You will not go wrong or overspend with the Motorcraft brand
of this fluid. It is a good product that will perform as
required in your application. You should not change it
until you can afford the correct fluid of whatever brand you
settle on.


Lugnut
 >> Stay informed about: 2001 F250 SD 5 speed trans fluid 

> I have a 2001 F250 SD gas, with 5 speed manual tranny.
>
> Both the manual and the tag on the tranny says to use  " Ford part #
> E6AZ-19582-B MERCON SYNTHETIC ATF or equivalent. ">
> Thank you......        Lee in Denver


Thank you for the response folks. I appreciate your attempts at
helping me out. This turned into a long drawn out affair, and I blame
Ford for that.

How difficult should it be to buy a quart of the correct fluid for a
Ford manual 5 speed in an F250?

First I tried auto parts stores...........the personnel there didn't
have a clue, nor did their computers. They showed _NOTHING_ that
was suitable.

So I went to my friendly Ford dealership. A big dealership. Phil
Long Ford in Littleton Colorado.

Showed em the Ford part number. Not a flicker of recognition. I got
out the manual that came with the truck when I bought it NEW in 2000.
BTW, this is a 2001 F250 SD gas. We now have 2 Ford parts guys
involved.......and 2 computers, and the telephone. (They keep phoning
"service" to see if "service" knew anything about this ATF.)

I guess that there are roughly 7 bazillion of these transmissions in
current use, yet Ford has evidentally NEVER sold a quart of the fluid
this tranny asks for.

Finally, tucked way down in the bowels of the computer, is
acknowledgment that such a Ford part # as E6AZ 19582-B has at some
time in the distant past existed. Computer says it was superceded
approx. 1993. So WTF does my 2001 manual have it listed as the ONLY
correct oil to use?

A third Ford parts guy joins the chase. He finally proclaims that
what I should be seeking is Ford p/n XT2-QSM. The people in the
"stockroom" have different ideas. That's an old obsolete number!!!
No joy there.

Back to the computers.......(3 of 'em now!).......... See how easy
this was??

One of the 3 nice Ford partsmen finally proclaims that XT2-QSM has
morphed into XT5-QSM. It's right about now that I realize that I had
been at that parts counter for over an hour, and I am starting to get
pissed.

One of the nice Ford guys goes to lunch.

Stockroom accepts this latest part #, and I buy some of it. I guess
it's called "sticker shock" eh? They hosed me to the tune of $12.28
per quart.

My fading satisfaction with FoMoCo takes another sharp dive downward.
Buy American, eh? And look forward to episodes like this? Maybe
not........

Lee in Denver CO
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You are putting far too much effort into this. I did a Google Search --
actually a Yahoo Search -- and the very first hit is a chart of fluids for F
Series trucks. I scrolled down the list to the 5-spd manual transmission and
found,


Application
5-Speed Manual Overdrive Transmission 7.3L DIT Diesel ZF(S5-47) (Note F)

Product
Motorcraft Synthetic MERCON®

Ford Part Number
E6AZ-19582-B

Ford Specification
ESR-M2C163-A

NOTE F
Synthetic MERCON® (E6AZ-19582-B) should be considered when operating under
the following extreme conditions:
- Extensive idle time with transmission temperatures below -20°F (-29°C).
- Operating at maximum GCW (F-Super Duty) in hilly terrain with
temperatures above 100°F (38°C).
- Continuous (30 minutes) PTO operations.

MY OWN NOTE
The transmissiion is not shown in this application behind a gas motor, but
there is no reason later production trucks might find this unit bolted
behind a gas motor. The transmission will not care what motor is in front of
it if the part number and the spec of the oil are the same.

You can read the side of the bottle to find the Ford Part Number and
Specification.


For shits and giggles, I plugged the Ford Specification into Google Web
Search and found the very first hit gave me even more information.
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>>> You are putting far too much effort into this.

I don't see it that way at all. I wanted the correct fluid. So I
tried to go by the manual that came with the truck. So me and the
truck and the manual went to the Ford dealer. But ultimately, I
indeed _DID_ put too much time into it. But I don't see that as
being my fault.

I see it as the sorry-ass fact that the Ford parts guys could not
decipher what fluid was correct for my truck using all the info tools
that Ford MoCo put at their disposal.

Their books and their computer data was way outdated. Is that my
fault?

>> I did a Google Search --  > Ford Part Number
> E6AZ-19582-B
> Ford Specification
> ESR-M2C163-A

The above is exactly what my manual says, also. It is hopelessly
outdated info. That's the source of the time consuming dicking around
by Ford parts people to find which ATF was correct. Is this my
fault??

> You can read the side of the bottle to find the Ford Part Number and
> Specification.

Sure ya can....if ya got the bottle of ATF sittin' in front of you.
But the Ford geniuses didn't know which bottle to pick off the stock-
room shelf. They could find _NOTHING_ that told 'em the correct
part #.

Hell, they didn't even have a 2009 F250 SD paper manual. The most
recent one thy could find was 2008. And ultimately, we found out that
the 2008 manual was showing an INCORRECT part number!!!!

And there is some doubt in my mind that I have the correct ATF. The
ATF they sold me is a blend, Ford p/n XT5-QSM, not a "full
synthetic", ....and my manual is adamant that a full synthetic must be
used. The tag on the tranny says the same thing. Way to go, Ford!!!

So "Thank you" for your input, Jeff, but I am still super pissed at
Ford and their poor operation. I do not particularly fault the 3
parts guys........they were not given the correct tools to work with.

Lee
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"fjlee" <carkenord DeleteThis @juno.com> wrote in message
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>>> You are putting far too much effort into this.

I don't see it that way at all. I wanted the correct fluid. So I
tried to go by the manual that came with the truck. So me and the
truck and the manual went to the Ford dealer. But ultimately, I
indeed _DID_ put too much time into it. But I don't see that as
being my fault.


<JS>
there is enough information in the manual to go down to the corner and buy a
bottle of ATF if you are willing to look up the numbers. Ford has a vested
interest in you buying their stuff, but they are required to say, "or
equivelent." You can find the equivelent, well, I can find it, in less than
3 minutes.

</JS>


I see it as the sorry-ass fact that the Ford parts guys could not
decipher what fluid was correct for my truck using all the info tools
that Ford MoCo put at their disposal.

Their books and their computer data was way outdated. Is that my
fault?

<JS>
No, it's not your _fault_ that the book is wrong. It is your fault that you
can't find the stuff you need. It was easy for me to find it, and I only
looked for it because you asked.


</JS>



>> I did a Google Search -- > Ford Part Number
> E6AZ-19582-B
> Ford Specification
> ESR-M2C163-A

The above is exactly what my manual says, also. It is hopelessly
outdated info. That's the source of the time consuming dicking around
by Ford parts people to find which ATF was correct. Is this my
fault??

<JS>
You don't know that it is hopelessly outdated at all. All you know is that
the parts guys that couldn't find it in the first place said it had been
superceeded for a model year of Ford product that is not your model year.

</JS>



> You can read the side of the bottle to find the Ford Part Number and
> Specification.

Sure ya can....if ya got the bottle of ATF sittin' in front of you.
But the Ford geniuses didn't know which bottle to pick off the stock-
room shelf. They could find _NOTHING_ that told 'em the correct
part #.

Hell, they didn't even have a 2009 F250 SD paper manual. The most
recent one thy could find was 2008. And ultimately, we found out that
the 2008 manual was showing an INCORRECT part number!!!!

And there is some doubt in my mind that I have the correct ATF. The
ATF they sold me is a blend, Ford p/n XT5-QSM, not a "full
synthetic", ....and my manual is adamant that a full synthetic must be
used. The tag on the tranny says the same thing. Way to go, Ford!!!

So "Thank you" for your input, Jeff, but I am still super pissed at
Ford and their poor operation. I do not particularly fault the 3
parts guys........they were not given the correct tools to work with.

Lee


<JS>
To their credit, the stuff you bought costed $13 per bottle, and you can get
it on the corner for $4.50, so the parts guys at the Ford dealership
problaby don't sell very much of it.

Dex II is almost as common as water, but people that know what they are
doing simply ask for it, they don't bother with the part number or factory
spec. I don't know how they would know to use Mercon (Dex II) unless they
are professionals, at which point they would not buy it from Ford, or they
look it up to find out what it is, at which point they would not buy it from
Ford.

</JS>
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>
> Dex II is almost as common as water, but people that know what they are
> doing simply ask for it, they don't bother with the part number or factory
> spec.


There ya go....... I most assuredly did _NOT_ know what I was
doing, that's why I initially approached this Forum, and why I
ultimately wound up at the Ford dealership with my 2001 Ford manual in
my hand.

I did not know WTF I was doing, but I was fairly determined to buy the
correct product.

I don't feel that there should be any implied ctiticism based upon the
fact that I was trying to purchase the correct ATF for my truck
trans.

Lee
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>
>>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?-

There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON.

Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON.
I wanted the correct variant of MERCON.

Please define "quality brand"........tho even if I had your definition
of "quality brand" in my pocket, that still would not have told me
which MERCON variant to buy.

If it takes 3 guys in a Ford dealership Parts Dept. over an hour to
determine exactly what my manual says my truck requires, how the Hell
is a non-automotive person like myself supposed to walk into a parts
store and chose the correct item from the multitude offered? I did
try, tho. And got nowhere.

That's when I decided I had better go to a Ford dealership. I knew
I'd pay more, but for some reason I had the goofy notion that the
Ford parts guy would have me fixed up and on my way in 5 minutes.

And in spite of what I learned, I still could NOT go into Discount
Auto and confidently chose ATF for my truck. There's not enough info
on the bottle to tell me what is correct. Now that all that stuff in
Spanish is printed on the labels, there's not as much room for useful
info in English.

Lee
 >> Stay informed about: 2001 F250 SD 5 speed trans fluid 

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:56:56 -0700, fjlee rearranged some electrons to
say:

>> I have a 2001 F250 SD gas, with 5 speed manual tranny.
>>
>> Both the manual and the tag on the tranny says to use  " Ford part #
>> E6AZ-19582-B MERCON SYNTHETIC ATF or equivalent. "> Thank you......    
>>    Lee in Denver
>
>
> Thank you for the response folks. I appreciate your attempts at helping
> me out. This turned into a long drawn out affair, and I blame Ford for
> that.
>
> How difficult should it be to buy a quart of the correct fluid for a
> Ford manual 5 speed in an F250?
>
> First I tried auto parts stores...........the personnel there didn't
> have a clue, nor did their computers. They showed _NOTHING_ that was
> suitable.
>
> So I went to my friendly Ford dealership. A big dealership. Phil Long
> Ford in Littleton Colorado.
>
> Showed em the Ford part number. Not a flicker of recognition. I got
> out the manual that came with the truck when I bought it NEW in 2000.
> BTW, this is a 2001 F250 SD gas. We now have 2 Ford parts guys
> involved.......and 2 computers, and the telephone. (They keep phoning
> "service" to see if "service" knew anything about this ATF.)
>
> I guess that there are roughly 7 bazillion of these transmissions in
> current use, yet Ford has evidentally NEVER sold a quart of the fluid
> this tranny asks for.
>
> Finally, tucked way down in the bowels of the computer, is
> acknowledgment that such a Ford part # as E6AZ 19582-B has at some time
> in the distant past existed. Computer says it was superceded approx.
> 1993. So WTF does my 2001 manual have it listed as the ONLY correct oil
> to use?
>
> A third Ford parts guy joins the chase. He finally proclaims that what
> I should be seeking is Ford p/n XT2-QSM. The people in the
> "stockroom" have different ideas. That's an old obsolete number!!! No
> joy there.
>
> Back to the computers.......(3 of 'em now!).......... See how easy this
> was??
>
> One of the 3 nice Ford partsmen finally proclaims that XT2-QSM has
> morphed into XT5-QSM. It's right about now that I realize that I had
> been at that parts counter for over an hour, and I am starting to get
> pissed.
>
> One of the nice Ford guys goes to lunch.
>
> Stockroom accepts this latest part #, and I buy some of it. I guess
> it's called "sticker shock" eh? They hosed me to the tune of $12.28
> per quart.
>
> My fading satisfaction with FoMoCo takes another sharp dive downward.
> Buy American, eh? And look forward to episodes like this? Maybe
> not........
>
> Lee in Denver CO

Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?
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"fjlee" <carkenord RemoveThis @juno.com> wrote in message
news:1e835566-c431-4f5f-8c82-e3aeb5409bed@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> >
>>>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?-
>
> There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON.
>
> Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON.
> I wanted the correct variant of MERCON.
>
> Please define "quality brand"........tho even if I had your definition
> of "quality brand" in my pocket, that still would not have told me
> which MERCON variant to buy.
>
> If it takes 3 guys in a Ford dealership Parts Dept. over an hour to
> determine exactly what my manual says my truck requires, how the Hell
> is a non-automotive person like myself supposed to walk into a parts
> store and chose the correct item from the multitude offered? I did
> try, tho. And got nowhere.
>
> That's when I decided I had better go to a Ford dealership. I knew
> I'd pay more, but for some reason I had the goofy notion that the
> Ford parts guy would have me fixed up and on my way in 5 minutes.
>
> And in spite of what I learned, I still could NOT go into Discount
> Auto and confidently chose ATF for my truck. There's not enough info
> on the bottle to tell me what is correct. Now that all that stuff in
> Spanish is printed on the labels, there's not as much room for useful
> info in English.
>

All ATF bottles state the specification on the side, and you have the
specification printed in the manual. .

It would be nice if the manual said Acme Brand ATF so that you could more
easily buy what you are looking for. But they are not allowed to say that
because that is a specific endorsement that the legal team tells them not to
make.

You can be pretty sure that if you buy MotorCraft or AutoLite for your Ford
Truck, you will be getting a product built to Ford specifications.

Sorry that you had so much trouble, but this is a chore that should have
been handled easily with a single trip to your local parts store down the
street.
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"fjlee" <carkenord.DeleteThis@juno.com> wrote in message
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| >
| >>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?-
|
| There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON.
|
| Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON.
| I wanted the correct variant of MERCON.
||
| Lee

Probably too late for you this time, but in the future, AMSOIL
manufactures an ATF that meets or exceeds all ATF specifications (not
to be used in CVT transmissions) and may be mixed in with original
brands or used as a complete re-fill to gain maximum shifting and
transmission performance. It's only $9.75 per quart (plus shipping).

Would have saved you money when you figure your lost productiity into
the equation.

http://www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=1690163&page=storefront/atf

--
Steve Spence
Independent AMSOIL Dealer
AMSOIL - The "Once A Year" Oil Change
Unemployed Car Guy - Trying To Earn A Living
35 Years of G.M. Parts Experience
URL: http://synthetic-oil-tech.com/1690163
Email: amsoil1.DeleteThis@charter.net
|
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:05:50 -0500, Steve rearranged some electrons to
say:

> "fjlee" <carkenord RemoveThis @juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1e835566-c431-4f5f-8c82-e3aeb5409bed@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> | >
> | >>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?- |
> | There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON. |
> | Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON. | I wanted
> the correct variant of MERCON. ||
> | Lee
>
> Probably too late for you this time, but in the future, AMSOIL
> manufactures an ATF that meets or exceeds all ATF specifications (not to
> be used in CVT transmissions) and may be mixed in with original brands
> or used as a complete re-fill to gain maximum shifting and transmission
> performance. It's only $9.75 per quart (plus shipping).
>
> Would have saved you money when you figure your lost productiity into
> the equation.
>
> http://www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=1690163&page=storefront/atf

Please stop spamming this newsgroup. Otherwise, will report to your ISP.
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Steve wrote:
> "fjlee" <carkenord DeleteThis @juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1e835566-c431-4f5f-8c82-e3aeb5409bed@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?-
>>
>> There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON.
>>
>> Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON.
>> I wanted the correct variant of MERCON.
>>>
>> Lee
>
> Probably too late for you this time, but in the future, AMSOIL

If you spam this newsgroup one more time, I'm giving all here the
address to report you to Amsoil, and you definitely will not be a rep
anymore. They don't like that type promotions!!

Tom J
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"Tom J" <tomnews DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
>> "fjlee" <carkenord DeleteThis @juno.com> wrote in message
>> news:1e835566-c431-4f5f-8c82-e3aeb5409bed@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?-
>>>
>>> There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON.
>>>
>>> Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON.
>>> I wanted the correct variant of MERCON.
>>>>
>>> Lee
>>
>> Probably too late for you this time, but in the future, AMSOIL
>
> If you spam this newsgroup one more time, I'm giving all here the address
> to report you to Amsoil, and you definitely will not be a rep anymore.
> They don't like that type promotions!!
>
> Tom J
>

Don't threat, just do it.

Amsoil would like to know that it's name is being tarnished. Send them as
much information as you can, and let them deal with it, or not. We'll know
the "or not" part if this loser does not go away.
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